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  • Yes, a little bit.

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  • Sometimes but not always.

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    Re: Does the Thought of Animals Suffering Bother You?

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    I see it like this: everyone has their signs they carry in demonstration. There are many issues to be addressed, not everyone must carry the same sign.

    I don't much care for arguments/points/positions founded on what "they" said; I figure go argue with "they".
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    Re: Does the Thought of Animals Suffering Bother You?

    Does the Thought of Animals Suffering Bother You?
    No.

    Does seeing an animal suffer needlessly bother me?

    Yes.
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    Re: Does the Thought of Animals Suffering Bother You?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    It does me...a lot, but then I recognize that my views on animals are not the same as everyone else's. Just curious if my views are somewhat "extreme" when it comes to animal welfare.

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    I'm a hunter. Yes. It does. I believe in ethical practices. Same for slaughterhouses.
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    Re: Does the Thought of Animals Suffering Bother You?

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    I'm a hunter. Yes. It does. I believe in ethical practices. Same for slaughterhouses.
    Yeah, I'm sure animal welfare is high on your list of priorities.

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    Re: Does the Thought of Animals Suffering Bother You?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    It does me...a lot, but then I recognize that my views on animals are not the same as everyone else's. Just curious if my views are somewhat "extreme" when it comes to animal welfare.

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    Yes, however I realize that even in the wild, animals lives are not all peachy keen all the time. They suffer there too. What bothers me most is lack of some reasonable freedom of movement. Hogs in cages so tight the can't turn around, chickens and hens stacked nearly on top of each other with wire floors, these things bother me, both for the animal and selfishly because I can't imagine that level of livelong stress not having a negative effect on the flavor and quality of the meats derived from them.

    So that bothers me. What doesn't bother me as much, again because it resembles wildlife existence, is the "cruelty" that has been documented during the harvesting of animals. Killing in the wild is often much crueler even than those horrible videos. Now as humans should we find a better way to kill just because we're smarter and have had a humane solution decades ago. Hence I will still do what I can reasonably do as a meat consumer to desire reasonable living and killing conditions for animals.

    That covers the meat supply issues. As for other animals like pets and such. It bothers me more to see animals suffer than be killed. And again I would consider a dog in a small outdoor kennel, left unattended except for the obligatory feeding and watering, or one equally restricted by rope or chain length and otherwise neglected. Then there are those that sooooo love their pets they keep them alive even though they are in debilitating pain and barely get around, to me that's cruel.
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    Re: Does the Thought of Animals Suffering Bother You?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Yeah, I'm sure animal welfare is high on your list of priorities.
    It is. Unlike your average non hunting citizens...I understand the Eco system, I hate idiots who release invasive species, I believe in proper management of public lands so that more encroachment doesn't kill off more wildlife, and the list goes on.

    Mother Nature created predators for a reason. I am one of those. Humans are far more destructive to animals in other ways. I'm just not squeamish about my role.

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    Re: Does the Thought of Animals Suffering Bother You?

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    Yes, however I realize that even in the wild, animals lives are not all peachy keen all the time. They suffer there too. What bothers me most is lack of some reasonable freedom of movement. Hogs in cages so tight the can't turn around, chickens and hens stacked nearly on top of each other with wire floors, these things bother me, both for the animal and selfishly because I can't imagine that level of livelong stress not having a negative effect on the flavor and quality of the meats derived from them.

    So that bothers me. What doesn't bother me as much, again because it resembles wildlife existence, is the "cruelty" that has been documented during the harvesting of animals. Killing in the wild is often much crueler even than those horrible videos. Now as humans should we find a better way to kill just because we're smarter and have had a humane solution decades ago. Hence I will still do what I can reasonably do as a meat consumer to desire reasonable living and killing conditions for animals.

    That covers the meat supply issues. As for other animals like pets and such. It bothers me more to see animals suffer than be killed. And again I would consider a dog in a small outdoor kennel, left unattended except for the obligatory feeding and watering, or one equally restricted by rope or chain length and otherwise neglected. Then there are those that sooooo love their pets they keep them alive even though they are in debilitating pain and barely get around, to me that's cruel.
    That last one is awful. I hate that. I can understand a dog left in a kennel while at work. Reasonable cage size, a toy, water, food, and all that. It depends on the dog. Some breeds handle that better than others (hound dog vs a German Shepard...one is lazy till you let him out...the other would go insane).
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    Re: Does the Thought of Animals Suffering Bother You?

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    That last one is awful. I hate that. I can understand a dog left in a kennel while at work. Reasonable cage size, a toy, water, food, and all that. It depends on the dog. Some breeds handle that better than others (hound dog vs a German Shepard...one is lazy till you let him out...the other would go insane).
    Caged/fenced/tied for a period of work is not what I was commenting on. It's the dogs that are dumped outside thusly and basically never interacted with at all, just feed and watered, dirty kennels or restricted area, etc. Owned but essentially neglected. No breed should have to live that life.
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    Re: Does the Thought of Animals Suffering Bother You?

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    Caged/fenced/tied for a period of work is not what I was commenting on. It's the dogs that are dumped outside thusly and basically never interacted with at all, just feed and watered, dirty kennels or restricted area, etc. Owned but essentially neglected. No breed should have to live that life.
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    Re: Does the Thought of Animals Suffering Bother You?

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    It is. Unlike your average non hunting citizens...I understand the Eco system, I hate idiots who release invasive species, I believe in proper management of public lands so that more encroachment doesn't kill off more wildlife, and the list goes on.

    Mother Nature created predators for a reason. I am one of those. Humans are far more destructive to animals in other ways. I'm just not squeamish about my role.

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    Ah, but on the other hand, with pet over population, maybe we could start having domestic dog/puppy hunts.

    I'm joking. Truth is that I have a real head vs heart conflict about hunting. It is a blood sport, and I like the way animals look actually living rather than having their parts hung on the wall or whatever. To me, nothing that could be done in taxidermy that would make that animal as awesome as it was when it actually had life. All that said, I don't believe it to be morally wrong like, say dog fighting or bull fighting or bear baiting or something. There are several avid hunters among my family and friends. I am in Texas after all.

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