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Thread: A Modest Proposal: Barack Obama Should Be Hillary Clinton's Running Mate

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    Re: A Modest Proposal: Barack Obama Should Be Hillary Clinton's Running Mate

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    No need to be corrected. You are correct. It's covered in the 12th Amendment to the US Constitution:

    "But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States."
    Possible, but I think most likely not.

    The Twenty-Second Amendment doesn't state that someone who has already served two terms is ineligible to the office of President; only that such a person cannot be elected President.

    Also, this may possibly be considered to be superseded by some later provision which I know is in there somewhere among the Amendments, but which I was just now unable to find, which changes the way the Vice President is selected. It used to be that the first runner-up in the Presidential election got to be Vice President, but this too often resulted in a President and a Vice President who could not work together because of ideological incompatibility, so somewhere along the way, it was changed so that each Presidential candidate chooses a “running mate” who will be elected Vice President if that main candidate is elected President.

    I did, however, find something in the Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment, that I didn't realize was there, which ought to have invalidated Obama as of his 2012 reelection, and, if upheld, would certainly make him ineligible now.

    No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

    I do not think it can be denied that during his first term, Obama committed acts that clearly constitute “insurrection or rebellion“ against the Constitution, and which, by this language, render him ineligible to be elected to public office. During his second term, his immigration policies clearly constitute having “…given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof.”
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    Re: A Modest Proposal: Barack Obama Should Be Hillary Clinton's Running Mate

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Gerald Ford was Speaker of the House when he succeeded Agnew in the Vice-Presidency and then Richard Nixon in the Presidency. I think
    That's the one, but, no, he wasn't Speaker of the House. Remember, at this time, the Democrats controlled Congress, and had for decades. The Speaker of the House—just behind the Vice President in the line of succession to the President, would have been a Democrat. Ford was the house minority leader, much farther from that line of succession. Agnew was compelled to resign as Vice President, over a scandal involving conduct that took place long before he achieved that position, and Ford was appointed to take his place. Nixon was then caught up in a scandal of his own, and compelled to resign, which put Ford in the Presidency.

    It jumps out at me, in the historical context, that the misconduct of which Nixon was accused, which led to his resignation, is nothing compared to misconduct in which the current President appears to have engaged or to have helped attempt to cover up.
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    Re: A Modest Proposal: Barack Obama Should Be Hillary Clinton's Running Mate

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Well with many SCOTUS rulings on it, the territory can be rocky at times.
    I have read portions, and as time permits will read more.
    So be prepared for more questions and I appreciate the help.
    A lot of the Supreme Court rulings are in legalese and can be hard to decipher. They are mostly good decisions, however there are times when instead of interpreting the law, they effectively legislate from the bench and go by their own partisan political bent.

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    Re: A Modest Proposal: Barack Obama Should Be Hillary Clinton's Running Mate

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Possible, but I think most likely not.

    The Twenty-Second Amendment doesn't state that someone who has already served two terms is ineligible to the office of President; only that such a person cannot be elected President.

    Also, this may possibly be considered to be superseded by some later provision which I know is in there somewhere among the Amendments, but which I was just now unable to find, which changes the way the Vice President is selected. It used to be that the first runner-up in the Presidential election got to be Vice President, but this too often resulted in a President and a Vice President who could not work together because of ideological incompatibility, so somewhere along the way, it was changed so that each Presidential candidate chooses a “running mate” who will be elected Vice President if that main candidate is elected President.
    The 12th amendment is pretty clear that anyone no longer eligible to run for president cannot run for vice president. I do not see anything in the 22nd amendment that would invalidate that.

    I did, however, find something in the Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment, that I didn't realize was there, which ought to have invalidated Obama as of his 2012 reelection, and, if upheld, would certainly make him ineligible now.

    No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
    I do not think it can be denied that during his first term, Obama committed acts that clearly constitute “insurrection or rebellion“ against the Constitution, and which, by this language, render him ineligible to be elected to public office. During his second term, his immigration policies clearly constitute having “…given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof.”
    I agree in regards to his second term. In my opinion trading five murderous Taliban terrorist leaders for a single US military deserter does amount to giving aid and comfort to the enemy. I also agree that his attempt to go around congress with virtual amnesty to illegal immigrants is highly unconstitutional. And Obamacare enacted in his first term is a clear violation of the tenth amendment regardless of the Supreme Court ruling otherwise.

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    Re: A Modest Proposal: Barack Obama Should Be Hillary Clinton's Running Mate

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    That's the one, but, no, he wasn't Speaker of the House. Remember, at this time, the Democrats controlled Congress, and had for decades. The Speaker of the House—just behind the Vice President in the line of succession to the President, would have been a Democrat. Ford was the house minority leader, much farther from that line of succession. Agnew was compelled to resign as Vice President, over a scandal involving conduct that took place long before he achieved that position, and Ford was appointed to take his place. Nixon was then caught up in a scandal of his own, and compelled to resign, which put Ford in the Presidency.

    It jumps out at me, in the historical context, that the misconduct of which Nixon was accused, which led to his resignation, is nothing compared to misconduct in which the current President appears to have engaged or to have helped attempt to cover up.
    And we can add one 2016 presidential candidate to that. Nixon was in trouble over two things...an 18 minute gap in a tape recording and obstruction of justice. Hillary has deleted over 30,000 emails.

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    Re: A Modest Proposal: Barack Obama Should Be Hillary Clinton's Running Mate

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I'm no US constitutional scholar, like the President supposedly is, but it's my understanding that he has been elected to two terms as President and therefore he cannot stand for election to any position that may lead to a third term as President.

    I'll stand by to be corrected.
    You're not wrong. The Constitution requires that the VP be eligible to be President.


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    Re: A Modest Proposal: Barack Obama Should Be Hillary Clinton's Running Mate

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post

    It jumps out at me, in the historical context, that the misconduct of which Nixon was accused, which led to his resignation, is nothing compared to misconduct in which the current President appears to have engaged or to have helped attempt to cover up.
    Of course. Because Nixon was a Republican, which in your mind means he is incapable of doing anything bad.


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    Re: A Modest Proposal: Barack Obama Should Be Hillary Clinton's Running Mate

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Of course. Because Nixon was a Republican, which in your mind means he is incapable of doing anything bad.
    I don't see anyone suggesting such. Nixon was not innocent. Barack "Hussein" Obama's crimes are just worse. If Obama were a republican with a democrat controlled congress, he would be facing impeachment proceedings now.

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    Re: A Modest Proposal: Barack Obama Should Be Hillary Clinton's Running Mate

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I'm no US constitutional scholar, like the President supposedly is, but it's my understanding that he has been elected to two terms as President and therefore he cannot stand for election to any position that may lead to a third term as President.

    I'll stand by to be corrected.
    So he could never be, say, speaker of the house? That doesn't sound right.

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    Re: A Modest Proposal: Barack Obama Should Be Hillary Clinton's Running Mate

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    A Modest Proposal: Barack Obama Should Be Hillary Clinton's Running Mate


    Whew, now that would send some people off the deep end, now wouldn't it.
    Thoughts are?


    Please see the line of succession amendment. I believe a vice president must be "eligible" to be president and neither Obama nor Bill Clinton are eligible...and there would be the game winner, Hillary as president and Bill as 'first' husband.
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