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    Re: Should animals have more rights/protection/etc

    Collection of videos relevant to help formulate an opinion if undecided, very disturbing on some videos.
    - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUZ1YLhIAg8 - How it should be, in my opinion
    - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGZlkKdCazQ - ^
    (Disturbing) (100's of other independent ones.)
    - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQK4261GXyg
    - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXKjm0IZSX8
    - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_vqIGTKuQE
    - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUz5-Hi3x_g
    - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4qQNi3WZdQ
    - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dmEw4iJmHA
    Not all factory farms do this, but every single one does not provide adequate space, and that's giving them more then they deserve.

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    Re: Should animals have more rights/protection/etc

    Quote Originally Posted by Black Dog View Post
    OK so no answer? Just link to my link? Did you even bother to read it? You could not have in that amount of time.

    So I guess you have no real argument?

    Thanks for nothing.
    I did read it, and it fails miserably. Maybe you should look at actual science.

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    Re: Should animals have more rights/protection/etc

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    Animal rights is the idea that some, or all, non-human animals are entitled to the possession of their own lives, and that their most basic interests such as the lack of suffering should be afforded the same consideration as similar interests of human beings.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    Well, as someone who advocates veganism.. Freedom from cruelty means that the animal has access to a decent life, free from pain, and the animal's death is quick and as painless as possible.
    The bolded points out a contradiction in your thinking. A creature who has a right to 'the possession of their own life' has that right violated even if the death is as 'quick and painless as possible.'

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    Re: Should animals have more rights/protection/etc

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    How does ability to exercise rights make a difference? Kids cannot understand the concept, but we give them rights. Old people with dementia can't really fully comprehend their rights, but they still have them.
    Because there is, or was, the potential to understand rights. Animals are dumb, there's no point giving them rights.
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    Re: Should animals have more rights/protection/etc

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The only way to ensure an animal is not going to suffer from cruelty and pain is to kill them all. Not a good plan...
    Oh come on redress, no one literally means ending all cruelty and pain, that's literally not possible, it means passing laws/enforcing/regulating to help go towards alleviating the pain/cruelty experienced.

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    Re: Should animals have more rights/protection/etc

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    The bolded points out a contradiction in your thinking. A creature who has a right to 'the possession of their own life' has that right violated even if the death is as 'quick and painless as possible.'
    I put forth the wikipedia definition of animal rights, and I never said I supported the killing of animals, unless I worded some wrong.. I acknowledge it will happen, and if it does, it needs to be done quick and painlessly.

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    Re: Should animals have more rights/protection/etc

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    And all animal rights activists agree: - End cruelty/pain
    And they even disagree what qualifies as cruelty and pain... That is kinda my point.. I agree we should have tougher/more regulations on factory farms, but a lot of animal rights activists say those types of facilities should be completely shut down.. Something I cannot agree too.
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    Re: Should animals have more rights/protection/etc

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Because there is, or was, the potential to understand rights. Animals are dumb, there's no point giving them rights.
    Animals aren't dumb, come on... Is a severely autistic child able to understand rights?

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    Re: Should animals have more rights/protection/etc

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    I've been called a toilet bug and I feel pain.

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    Re: Should animals have more rights/protection/etc

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    And they even disagree what qualifies as cruelty and pain... That is kinda my point.. I agree we should have tougher/more regulations on factory farms, but a lot of animal rights activists say those types of facilities should be completely shut down.. Something I cannot agree too.
    I think they need to be shut down immediately unless they drastically change almost everything.

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