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    Re: Should animals have more rights/protection/etc

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The only animal that I have had a problem with was a neighbor's (mistreated) large male dog - it escaped its chain and bit my dog through his pen fence. I captured the dog (it was not aggressive to me), tied it up and gave animal control a call - they took the dog after they observed its habitat, lack of tags and general poor health. Stray cows are generally not a problem if they stay off of the roadways - I can usually identify their source (by the ear tags) and have the phone numbers of the local ranchers which are generally quick to get them back into their pasture and repair the fencing.
    Sounds like you don't have any problems.

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    Re: Should animals have more rights/protection/etc

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    People keep pigs/cows/chickens as pets
    Pot bellied pigs, yes, some do.
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    Re: Should animals have more rights/protection/etc

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    To be fair, hunting's not necessary. They move too slow.
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    Re: Should animals have more rights/protection/etc

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    In reference, I'd like you to know that breeding insects on an industrial scale is actually possible, if properly supported, the price would be adjusted accordingly. (I think?)
    In addition to a primitive mental life as described above, there is some
    evidence that insects can experience pain and suffering. The earthworm
    nervous system, for example, secretes an opiate substance when the
    earthworm is injured. Similar responses are seen in vertebrates and are
    generally accepted to be a mechanism for the attenuation of pain. On the
    other hand, the opiates are also implicated in functions not associated
    with analgesia, such as thermoregulation and appetite control. Nevertheless,
    the association of secretion with tissue injury is highly suggestive.
    Earthworms also wriggle quite vigorously when impaled on a hook. In
    possible opposition to this are other observations. For example, the
    abdomen of a feeding wasp can be clipped off and the head may go on
    sucking (presumably in no distress?).

    Singer quotes three criteria for deciding if an organism has the
    capacity to suffer from pain: 1) there are behavioral indications, 2)
    there is an appropriate nervous system, and 3) there is an evolutionary
    usefulness for the experience of pain. These criteria seem to satisfied
    for insects, if only in a primitive way.

    Now we are equipped to tackle the issue of insect rights. First, one
    might argue that the issue is not so compelling as for other animals
    because industries are not built around the exploitation of insects. But
    this is untrue; large industries are built around honey production, silk
    production, and cochineal/carmine production, and, of course, mass insect
    death results from our use of insecticides. Even if the argument were
    true, it should not prevent us from attempting to be consistent in the
    application of our principles to all animals. Insects are a part of the
    Animal Kingdom and some special arguments would be required to exclude
    them from the general AR argument.
    - Animal Rights FAQ: Section Five

    Still want to protect just the fuzzy cute ones?
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    Re: Should animals have more rights/protection/etc

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    Of course you can, just make sure it's done ethically, you can look into the methods yourself.
    Zoos, unfortunately, in today's world, are a necessity, and many don't practice cruelty.
    The difference is, in factory farms, they are separated to be slaughtered, etc..
    The realistic solution? More enforcement and protection for animals.
    The question is this, what is "ethical"? That is my whole point, the definition in-of-itself varies widely between the Animal Rights Movement. And if reform what should that reform look like?


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    Re: Should animals have more rights/protection/etc

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    I think cars should be serviced frequently. That doesn't mean I think cars have the right to regular services. Animals cannot understand the concept of rights, they cannot exercise rights. I'm advocating limiting peoples behaviour because I don't like it when people are cruel to animals.
    How does ability to exercise rights make a difference? Kids cannot understand the concept, but we give them rights. Old people with dementia can't really fully comprehend their rights, but they still have them.
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    Re: Should animals have more rights/protection/etc

    Quote Originally Posted by Black Dog View Post
    In addition to a primitive mental life as described above, there is some
    evidence that insects can experience pain and suffering. The earthworm
    nervous system, for example, secretes an opiate substance when the
    earthworm is injured. Similar responses are seen in vertebrates and are
    generally accepted to be a mechanism for the attenuation of pain. On the
    other hand, the opiates are also implicated in functions not associated
    with analgesia, such as thermoregulation and appetite control. Nevertheless,
    the association of secretion with tissue injury is highly suggestive.
    Earthworms also wriggle quite vigorously when impaled on a hook. In
    possible opposition to this are other observations. For example, the
    abdomen of a feeding wasp can be clipped off and the head may go on
    sucking (presumably in no distress?).

    Singer quotes three criteria for deciding if an organism has the
    capacity to suffer from pain: 1) there are behavioral indications, 2)
    there is an appropriate nervous system, and 3) there is an evolutionary
    usefulness for the experience of pain. These criteria seem to satisfied
    for insects, if only in a primitive way.

    Now we are equipped to tackle the issue of insect rights. First, one
    might argue that the issue is not so compelling as for other animals
    because industries are not built around the exploitation of insects. But
    this is untrue; large industries are built around honey production, silk
    production, and cochineal/carmine production, and, of course, mass insect
    death results from our use of insecticides. Even if the argument were
    true, it should not prevent us from attempting to be consistent in the
    application of our principles to all animals. Insects are a part of the
    Animal Kingdom and some special arguments would be required to exclude
    them from the general AR argument.
    - Animal Rights FAQ: Section Five

    Still want to protect just the fuzzy cute ones?
    Oh for the love of god, that website is psychotic and has no bearing.

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    Re: Should animals have more rights/protection/etc

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    Sounds like you don't have any problems.
    Not with most domestic animals.
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    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: Should animals have more rights/protection/etc

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    The question is this, what is "ethical"? That is my whole point, the definition in-of-itself varies widely between the Animal Rights Movement. And if reform what should that reform look like?
    That's the thing, everyone disagrees on many things regarding this, but we can figure it out, we've done it before.

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    Re: Should animals have more rights/protection/etc

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    Would "freedom from cruelty" include not eating them? No one hunts cow...
    Is "tipping" hunting? You have to sneak up on them (kinda stalk) so you don't wake them, then tip.
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