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    Re: Should animals have more rights/protection/etc

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    It tastes good. People really only need 4 small serves of meat a week. Most people tend to have it with every evening meal though and often for lunch (myself included, animals are yummy). This isn't healthy, it leads to consuming too much fat and stuff.

    In relation to the thread topic, if everyone cut down on how much meat they eat to the level that their body actually needs all the nutrients and protein and stuff, farming practices could be eased to have less animals in a given area, increasing animal welfare and reducing water use, land farmed for animal feed, and, if you really want to get hippy about it, greenhouse emissions.

    The only downside to reducing meat consumption is less tasty meals.
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    Re: Should animals have more rights/protection/etc

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    So... you say they don't have rights, then go to say they should have the right to not be treated cruelly. Got it.
    I think cars should be serviced frequently. That doesn't mean I think cars have the right to regular services. Animals cannot understand the concept of rights, they cannot exercise rights. I'm advocating limiting peoples behaviour because I don't like it when people are cruel to animals.
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    Re: Should animals have more rights/protection/etc

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    I think cars should be serviced frequently. That doesn't mean I think cars have the right to regular services. Animals cannot understand the concept of rights, they cannot exercise rights. I'm advocating limiting peoples behaviour because I don't like it when people are cruel to animals.
    Completely different, cars don't feel pain or exhibit sentience.

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    Re: Should animals have more rights/protection/etc

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    Well, as someone who advocates veganism.. Freedom from cruelty means that the animal has access to a decent life, free from pain, and the animal's death is quick and as painless as possible.
    So what would happen to all the animals now being taken care of by farmers? Pigs, cows chickens etc? Someone has to pay to take care of them as they are domestic animals and have been for centuries. If the farmers are no longer making money on them...

    Well you get the picture.
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    Re: Should animals have more rights/protection/etc

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    Well, as someone who advocates veganism.. Freedom from cruelty means that the animal has access to a decent life, free from pain, and the animal's death is quick and as painless as possible.
    Would it be cruel to kill a dog's unborn puppies?


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    Re: Should animals have more rights/protection/etc

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    People keep pigs/cows/chickens as pets
    Irrelevant. They are not traditional pets. They are food animals for the most part.
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    Re: Should animals have more rights/protection/etc

    Quote Originally Posted by Black Dog View Post
    So what would happen to all the animals now being taken care of by farmers? Pigs, cows chickens etc? Someone has to pay to take care of them as they are domestic animals and have been for centuries. If the farmers are no longer making money on them...

    Well you get the picture.
    Farmers usually give animals access to all I have said, most of them, factory farms, where the majority of meat comes from, most of the animals are horribly bred, mutated, inbred.. It would honestly be more ethical to put them all down, and eliminating factory farming would actually increase the profit farmers would make.

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    Re: Should animals have more rights/protection/etc

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    It varies wildly, but for the most basic: Access to food, water, adequate living space, freedom from cruelty, unneeded experimentation, pain, separation of animal families. Hunting is completely different, this is in reference to animals deliberately being kept.
    Several questions:
    1.)Can I kill my chicken/cow/etc? If so how? And how do I ensure its not cruel?
    2.)Are zoos okay?
    3.)Separating animals, does that mean I can have a dog or not? After all many dog (meaning my families, 14 year old lab) was separated from her mother at a very young age?
    4.)I agree many factory farms are extremely ****ed up, and extremely disturbing, but is there actually a realistic solution to this?
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    Re: Should animals have more rights/protection/etc

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    Many bugs actually taste like the meat we eat now. Why eat a cow when you're more then likely supporting a horrid industry?
    So what, just go out back and gather a whole bunch of them up? How many should I eat?

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    Re: Should animals have more rights/protection/etc

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    Or, we could get over the ridiculous fear of consuming insects and start looking at them for tasty meals like other cultures.
    Then we'll get the insect rights movement. Have you ever tried breeding insects, it's a lot harder than you'd think. And while they contain more protein and nutrients than red meat, I'm yet to see anything that shows it's actually cheaper on a per kilo scale.
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