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    Re: Should animals have more rights/protection/etc

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    I've meant adult persons.

    And what rights do you believe your dog should have, if we consider that the law already protects animals from cruelty?
    The right to remain silent? The freedom of speech? Give me a break.
    If you feel animals are too stupid to have any intrinsic worth in and of themselves and you see them as no different than a table, I suspect that any support you claim for anti-cruelty laws is a little manufactured because it's not based on anything. Without even a basic right to be be acknowledged as living feeling creatures you don't have a leg to stand on to claim that animal cruelty is of any concern to you.

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    Re: Should animals have more rights/protection/etc

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    Please, you and others started with "they are only property, they don't have more rights than a table," and we are countering that no, they should have rights that tables do not. Nowhere did you or we mention freedom of speech and this other crap
    Well and not just that they should have no rights because they're too stupid to be worth any rights to be treated in certain way, but that there's functionally very little difference between a table and a dog. I obviously disagree.

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    Re: Should animals have more rights/protection/etc

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    Everyone who's been to a public school has seen some kid who just sits there and drools and has no idea where the **** they are. That wasn't what i was saying at all anyway. Dogs have no use for human education, just as humans have no use for training to catch frisbees
    Then would you mind stating the rights that you believe should be granted to animals?
    And humans do train at catching frisbees, there are international competitions and everything.
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    Re: Should animals have more rights/protection/etc

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    If you feel animals are too stupid to have any intrinsic worth in and of themselves and you see them as no different than a table
    It's the second time I'm noting that this is a strawman argument. I haven't stated that animals are akin to tables. Do concern yourself with what I say, not with what I don't.

    I suspect that any support you claim for anti-cruelty laws is a little manufactured because it's not based on anything. Without even a basic right to be be acknowledged as living feeling creatures you don't have a leg to stand on to claim that animal cruelty is of any concern to you.
    You were asked which rights should be granted to animals. You've provided none. And laws against human cruelty towards animals already exist and are not something hypothetical, they seem to be working just fine.
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    Re: Should animals have more rights/protection/etc

    There ought to be a distinction between legal and "moral" rights, or moral propositions. They are not identical.
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    Re: Should animals have more rights/protection/etc

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    I was, but my argument is that no animals deserve rights. That all is equal between frogs and dogs in the rights deserving department.


    Equal in that all creatures deserve rights/protection.
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    Re: Should animals have more rights/protection/etc

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    Equal in that all creatures deserve rights/protection.
    He is asking why that is the case. Legislation does not dictate the truthful ess of moral propositions.
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    Re: Should animals have more rights/protection/etc

    I think this thread can be pretty much divided into those who feel animals have intrinsic worth as living, feeling creatures and those who feel animals are only worth whatever we, as humans, decide they are.

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    Re: Should animals have more rights/protection/etc

    Quote Originally Posted by caruso's_heir View Post
    He is asking why that is the case. Legislation does not dictate the truthful ess of moral propositions.


    How do you know what "he" is asking/trying to say?
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    Re: Should animals have more rights/protection/etc

    Actually I think we have a semantics problem going on here! There are many different creatures in the world; some are cold blooded like snakes and others are warm blooded like us with emotions, needs, etc. Rights such as protection of habitat for some, protection from extinction for others, and the right to love, kindness, food and shelter for our domestic furbabies. That is where "I" am coming from!
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