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    Re: Should animals have more rights/protection/etc

    Animals are property. "Suffering" is irrelevant.

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    Re: Should animals have more rights/protection/etc

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    Animals are property. "Suffering" is irrelevant.
    may they be aborted ?
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    Re: Should animals have more rights/protection/etc

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    may they be aborted ?

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    Re: Should animals have more rights/protection/etc

    Animals are currently referred to by law as property.
    Those calling for animal rights want society to view animals as persons and not as property.
    This is wrong, because animals are closer in their essence to a table or a television than they are to human beings.
    They don't think like we do, they aren't capable of thinking like we do, nor will they be in a million years from now.
    So until they evolve, they should remain as property.

    Regarding animal ethics, which is a different subject, clearly animals should be protected by law from human cruelty, but that's pretty much it.
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    Re: Should animals have more rights/protection/etc

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Animals are currently referred to by law as property.
    Those calling for animal rights want society to view animals as persons and not as property.
    This is wrong, because animals are closer in their essence to a table or a television than they are to human beings.
    They don't think like we do, they aren't capable of thinking like we do, nor will they be in a million years from now.
    So until they evolve, they should remain as property.

    Regarding animal ethics, which is a different subject, clearly animals should be protected by law from human cruelty, but that's pretty much it.
    if your tv broke down or your dog died ,in which one of these cases would you feel sad ?
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    Re: Should animals have more rights/protection/etc

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    if your tv broke down or your dog died ,in which one of these cases would you feel sad ?
    My dog is my best friend in the world.

    When I said that animals are closer in their essence to a TV or a table than they are to human beings I've meant that they are closer to not having thoughts and feelings at all, i.e. being objects, than they are to having the complex emotional and thinking capabilities that the average human being has. That clearly doesn't mean they have no feelings or emotions at all the way an object doesn't have.
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    Re: Should animals have more rights/protection/etc

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    I do believe you're making the same argument I am, just from a different spot.


    Could very well be. I am an animal lover who has had all sorts of animals through the years from chimps, spider monkeys, racoon's and a boa constrictor. Now I have ten rescue dogs including two hybrid wolves that I raised from 12 days old and two kitties. My motto is that a house is not a home without some critters!
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    Re: Should animals have more rights/protection/etc

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    So why do you believe my snake is less deserving of rights than my girlfriends beagle?
    Well, according to you, he's an idiot and, by your own argument, dumb things don't deserve rights.

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    Re: Should animals have more rights/protection/etc

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    Animals are property. "Suffering" is irrelevant.
    Note to self: keep Jay away from my dogs.

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    Re: Should animals have more rights/protection/etc

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    My dog is my best friend in the world.

    When I said that animals are closer in their essence to a TV or a table than they are to human beings I've meant that they are closer to not having thoughts and feelings at all, i.e. being objects, than they are to having the complex emotional and thinking capabilities that the average human being has. That clearly doesn't mean they have no feelings or emotions at all the way an object doesn't have.
    You view your "best friend" as something akin to a table worth no more consideration. What a lucky dog.

    I couldn't disagree with this more. Animals, by being living creatures, are far more like us than they are like a table or something. On the contrary, I think someone denies or who's cold to or unconcerned about animal suffering and views them as mere property to be treated and disposed of in any manner has more on common with a table than they do with me.

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