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    Re: Should animals have more rights/protection/etc

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    I have two lizards, a snake, 5 frogs, a scorpion, a bunch of fish and a turtle. They're dumb. I tried explaining the concept of rights to one of my my girlfriends beagles. It went and sniffed the butt of her other beagle. I tried to get one of the stray cats I've befriended to read On Liberty by John Stuart Mill, it meowed at me. Sure, some animals can display complex emotions, but none are up to understanding the concept of rights.


    OK that was funny, but I didn't say that they could read and write! I simply said that they were not as dumb as you think. I didn't even imply that they could understand "your" concept of rights, but they do understand and expect what they feel are rights and I didn't really consider such creatures as snakes, frogs and snails, but more about bears, wolves, dolphins, whales and yes even domestic animals
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    Re: Should animals have more rights/protection/etc

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    OK that was funny, but I didn't say that they could read and write! I simply said that they were not as dumb as you think. I didn't even imply that they could understand "your" concept of rights, but they do understand and expect what they feel are rights and I didn't really consider such creatures as snakes, frogs and snails, but more about bears, wolves, dolphins, whales and yes even domestic animals
    So why do you believe my snake is less deserving of rights than my girlfriends beagle?
    "To waste, to destroy, our natural resources, to skin and exhaust the land instead of using it so as to increase its usefulness, will result in undermining in the days of our children the very prosperity which we ought by rights to hand down to them."~ Theodore Roosevelt (Message to Congress, Dec. 3, 1907)

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    Re: Should animals have more rights/protection/etc

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Animals are property and should legally be treated as such. However, we can have various protections for animals as it relates to cruelty and abuse. However, it the pursuit of reasonable protections for animals, we should never lose sight of the fact that fundamentally they are property.
    Even until the 19th century blacks who belong to the same species as the other humans were treated as properties and they were homo sapiens ,not homo asparagus .maybe it is because we are animals too .
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    Re: Should animals have more rights/protection/etc

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    Even until the 19th century blacks who belong to the same species as the other humans were treated as properties and they were homo sapiens ,not homo asparagus .maybe it is because we are animals too .
    Wow, just wow.
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    Re: Should animals have more rights/protection/etc

    Quote Originally Posted by Black Dog View Post
    Wow, just wow.
    in both cases you are what you are
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    Re: Should animals have more rights/protection/etc

    Cruelty and torture and stuff to animals should be illegal...
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    The Supreme Court can't interpret The Constitution. They don't have that power.

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    Re: Should animals have more rights/protection/etc

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    Even until the 19th century blacks who belong to the same species as the other humans were treated as properties and they were homo sapiens ,not homo asparagus .maybe it is because we are animals too .
    Were there blacks that did not belong to the same speices as other humans? This is news to me...
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    Re: Should animals have more rights/protection/etc

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    So why do you believe my snake is less deserving of rights than my girlfriends beagle?


    I didn't say that your snake was less deserving, but his brain isn't very big, is it?
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    Re: Should animals have more rights/protection/etc

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    I didn't say that your snake was less deserving, but his brain isn't very big, is it?
    I do believe you're making the same argument I am, just from a different spot.
    "To waste, to destroy, our natural resources, to skin and exhaust the land instead of using it so as to increase its usefulness, will result in undermining in the days of our children the very prosperity which we ought by rights to hand down to them."~ Theodore Roosevelt (Message to Congress, Dec. 3, 1907)

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    Re: Should animals have more rights/protection/etc

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Were there blacks that did not belong to the same speices as other humans? This is news to me...
    no of course however they were treated like animals. werent they ? what is wrong with my statement
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