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    Re: Should animals have more rights/protection/etc

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    So what actions/behaviors towards animals are acceptable based on your determination that animals are "dumb"? What does that justify?


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    I think another important issue is the rampant abuse of innocent apostrophes.

    Animals don't have rights, they're animals. They should be protected from cruelty, and it should be enforced that all animals are to be kept in a way that ensures they are not subject to preventable pain, stress, injury or disease.
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    Re: Should animals have more rights/protection/etc

    Quote Originally Posted by Black Dog View Post
    Yeah, that's inconsistent. If animals should have no rights and, then how can you say there should be laws protecting them? What's that based on? Can you be cruel to a table or a toaster? Does a car have an "right" to no be treated cruelly? No and you're saying animals are no different.

    Whatever. I don't think my dogs are dumb at all. I don't think my friend's two year old is dumb or that 5 and 6 year old are dumb and even if I did, that would not make me think it's ok to treat them badly (or whatever it is you're using this determination that they're dumb to justify that you won't tell me. ).

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    Re: Should animals have more rights/protection/etc

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Yeah, that's inconsistent. If animals should have no rights and, then how can you say there should be laws protecting them? What's that based on? Can you be cruel to a table or a toaster? Does a car have an "right" to no be treated cruelly? No and you're saying animals are no different.
    Nothing inconsistent about it. Humans have rights. We understand and defend those rights. You do not need to have a "right" to be protected by the law. Illegal immigrants do not have certain "rights" under our laws, and yet they are still protected by laws. Convicted felons lose certain rights and yet are still protected under the law.

    A right is always the law. The law is not always a right.

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Whatever. I don't think my dogs are dumb at all. I don't think my friend's two year old is dumb or that 5 and 6 year old are dumb and even if I did, that would not make me think it's ok to treat them badly (or whatever it is you're using this determination that they're dumb to justify that you won't tell me. ).
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    Animals don't have rights, they're animals. They should be protected from cruelty, and it should be enforced that all animals are to be kept in a way that ensures they are not subject to preventable pain, stress, injury or disease. - Spud

    needs to be explained to you?
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    Re: Should animals have more rights/protection/etc

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    Animal rights is the idea that some, or all, non-human animals are entitled to the possession of their own lives, and that their most basic interests – such as the lack of suffering – should be afforded the same consideration as similar interests of human beings.

    I wouldn't go nearly that far, but I would agree that animals should be protected from unnecessary suffering or needless cruelty.... with the exception that animal needs always yield to human needs.

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    Re: Should animals have more rights/protection/etc

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    I think another important issue is the rampant abuse of innocent apostrophes.

    Animals don't have rights, they're animals. They should be protected from cruelty, and it should be enforced that all animals are to be kept in a way that ensures they are not subject to preventable pain, stress, injury or disease.
    Precisely. It's not so much a matter of rights as it is a matter of should's.
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    Yes to the OP, unquestioningly.
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    Re: Should animals have more rights/protection/etc

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    I think another important issue is the rampant abuse of innocent apostrophes.

    Animals don't have rights, they're animals.
    They should be protected from cruelty, and it should be enforced that all animals are to be kept in a way that ensures they are not subject to preventable pain, stress, injury or disease.


    I may be wrong on this one, but I seriously doubt that we'll be giving any animals the right to vote anytime soon.

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    Re: Should animals have more rights/protection/etc

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Yeah, that's inconsistent. If animals should have no rights and, then how can you say there should be laws protecting them? What's that based on? Can you be cruel to a table or a toaster? Does a car have an "right" to no be treated cruelly? No and you're saying animals are no different.

    Whatever. I don't think my dogs are dumb at all. I don't think my friend's two year old is dumb or that 5 and 6 year old are dumb and even if I did, that would not make me think it's ok to treat them badly (or whatever it is you're using this determination that they're dumb to justify that you won't tell me. ).
    You are aware that your dogs and your friend's kids are different species, right?
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    Re: Should animals have more rights/protection/etc

    There is extreme species bigotries in the standards of what constitutes abuse.

    For example, now someone shooting a dog or a cat is considered animal abuse and possibly even a felony. But you can shoot all the squirrels, nearly any species of bird, raccoons, etc. you want to. Livestock animals - chickens, pigs and cows - are slaughtered in massive numbers. But horse meat? That's not allowed.

    It would seem the question in terms of law should be to prohibit cruelty for the sake of the joys of cruelty or cruelty that is the result of neglect.

    The world is becoming so crowded, that many people are more concerned about animals than they are about humans.

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    Re: Should animals have more rights/protection/etc

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    You are aware that your dogs and your friend's kids are different species, right?
    Indeed, but the argument was not that animals should have rights because they're not human (and only humans should have them) but that animals are dumb. I'm just thinking that basing rights on whether something (or someone) is "dumb" is odd.

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