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    Re: Should animals have more rights/protection/etc

    Quote Originally Posted by Black Dog View Post
    Is a 5 or 6 year old dumb? Because the smartest animal on planet earth is about that smart. Has nothing to do with a "different type of understanding." The vast majority of what we call animals are quite stupid or dumb by human standards. I will use the alligator for example. Here is an animal that can grow up to 12 feet long. It's brain is the size of a marble. Not much going on there but instinct.
    Actually no, I don't think they are dumb. Shoot, my friend's son is two and I think he's a genius. Even if he was "dumb" or developmentally delayed or whatever, that doesn't suggest for me that I shouldn't have compassion for him or that I think it would be ok for him to suffer just because I'm convinced of my own superiority or something.

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    Re: Should animals have more rights/protection/etc

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Actually no, I don't think they are dumb. Shoot, my friend's son is two and I think he's a genius. Even if he was "dumb" or developmentally delayed or whatever, that doesn't suggest for me that I shouldn't have compassion for him or that I think it would be ok for him to suffer just because I'm convinced of my own superiority or something.
    Nothing but a strawman. I never said anything about not having "compassion" or anything even close. Also said nothing about wanting anything to suffer.

    You might want to go back and read what I actually said or at least address my comments.

    So far you have mixed my comments up with at least 2 other posters.
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    Re: Should animals have more rights/protection/etc

    Quote Originally Posted by Black Dog View Post
    Nothing but a strawman. I never said anything about not having "compassion" or anything even close. Also said nothing about wanting anything to suffer.

    You might want to go back and read what I actually said or at least address my comments.

    So far you have mixed my comments up with at least 2 other posters.
    Entirely possible. What's the point of saying that animals are "dumb" again? What does that conclusion justify or make acceptable with regards to our actions toward them, and does the same apply to humans who might be considered "dumb"?

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    Re: Should animals have more rights/protection/etc

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Entirely possible. What's the point of saying that animals are "dumb" again? What does that conclusion justify or make acceptable with regards to our actions toward them, and does the same apply to humans who might be considered "dumb"?
    You might want to read the thread.
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    Re: Should animals have more rights/protection/etc

    Quote Originally Posted by Black Dog View Post
    You might want to read the thread.
    Being considered "dumb" is justification for what? That's what I'm asking.

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    Re: Should animals have more rights/protection/etc

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Being considered "dumb" is justification for what? That's what I'm asking.
    Nothing. Read the thread.
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    Re: Should animals have more rights/protection/etc

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Being considered "dumb" is justification for what? That's what I'm asking.
    Here since you seem unable to search...

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1064540274
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    Re: Should animals have more rights/protection/etc

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    I think another important issue is the rampant abuse of innocent apostrophes.

    Animals don't have rights, they're animals. They should be protected from cruelty, and it should be enforced that all animals are to be kept in a way that ensures they are not subject to preventable pain, stress, injury or disease.
    Indeed. Nothing more than this is needed. As observed, we can't even get to this circumstances, so arriving and achieving this set of circumstances would be progress in the right direction.

    It's foolish to anthropomorphize animals on this point and most every other point as well.
    Disinformation campaign? The Russian collusion meme pushed by the 'news' media, behaving as a political propaganda organ, hell bent to destroy a legitimately elected president to implement his agenda per the votes of the same electorate. Reference The Big Lie Reference Goebbels

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    Re: Should animals have more rights/protection/etc

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Because there is, or was, the potential to understand rights. Animals are dumb, there's no point giving them rights.
    So what actions/behaviors towards animals are acceptable based on your determination that animals are "dumb"? What does that justify?

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    Re: Should animals have more rights/protection/etc

    Quote Originally Posted by Black Dog View Post
    Here since you seem unable to search...

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1064540274
    Fine, I asked Spud.

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