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Should animals have more rights/protection/etc

Should animals have more rights/protection/etc

  • Yes

    Votes: 23 39.0%
  • No

    Votes: 27 45.8%
  • Other

    Votes: 9 15.3%

  • Total voters
    59
I've meant adult persons.

And what rights do you believe your dog should have, if we consider that the law already protects animals from cruelty?
The right to remain silent? The freedom of speech? Give me a break.

If you feel animals are too stupid to have any intrinsic worth in and of themselves and you see them as no different than a table, I suspect that any support you claim for anti-cruelty laws is a little manufactured because it's not based on anything. Without even a basic right to be be acknowledged as living feeling creatures you don't have a leg to stand on to claim that animal cruelty is of any concern to you.
 
Please, you and others started with "they are only property, they don't have more rights than a table," and we are countering that no, they should have rights that tables do not. Nowhere did you or we mention freedom of speech and this other crap

Well and not just that they should have no rights because they're too stupid to be worth any rights to be treated in certain way, but that there's functionally very little difference between a table and a dog. I obviously disagree.
 
Everyone who's been to a public school has seen some kid who just sits there and drools and has no idea where the **** they are. That wasn't what i was saying at all anyway. Dogs have no use for human education, just as humans have no use for training to catch frisbees

Then would you mind stating the rights that you believe should be granted to animals?
And humans do train at catching frisbees, there are international competitions and everything.
 
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If you feel animals are too stupid to have any intrinsic worth in and of themselves and you see them as no different than a table

It's the second time I'm noting that this is a strawman argument. I haven't stated that animals are akin to tables. Do concern yourself with what I say, not with what I don't.

I suspect that any support you claim for anti-cruelty laws is a little manufactured because it's not based on anything. Without even a basic right to be be acknowledged as living feeling creatures you don't have a leg to stand on to claim that animal cruelty is of any concern to you.

You were asked which rights should be granted to animals. You've provided none. And laws against human cruelty towards animals already exist and are not something hypothetical, they seem to be working just fine.
 
There ought to be a distinction between legal and "moral" rights, or moral propositions. They are not identical.
 
I was, but my argument is that no animals deserve rights. That all is equal between frogs and dogs in the rights deserving department.



Equal in that all creatures deserve rights/protection.
 
I think this thread can be pretty much divided into those who feel animals have intrinsic worth as living, feeling creatures and those who feel animals are only worth whatever we, as humans, decide they are.
 
Actually I think we have a semantics problem going on here! There are many different creatures in the world; some are cold blooded like snakes and others are warm blooded like us with emotions, needs, etc. Rights such as protection of habitat for some, protection from extinction for others, and the right to love, kindness, food and shelter for our domestic furbabies. That is where "I" am coming from!
 
Actually I think we have a semantics problem going on here! There are many different creatures in the world; some are cold blooded like snakes and others are warm blooded like us with emotions, needs, etc.

Who says snakes don't have emotions and needs? Are you saying they're like a table? :lol:

Rights such as protection of habitat for some, protection from extinction for others

There are laws for that.

and the right to love, kindness, food and shelter for our domestic furbabies. That is where "I" am coming from!

Humans don't have these rights, so you want animals to have them?
 
Who says snakes don't have emotions and needs? Are you saying they're like a table? :lol:



There are laws for that.



Humans don't have these rights, so you want animals to have them?

I want to have animals protected and as cheap meat on the barbecue too.
 
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Who says snakes don't have emotions and needs? Are you saying they're like a table? :lol:



There are laws for that.


Humans don't have these rights, so you want animals to have them?



You are too funny. Have you ever curled up with a snake? They have needs, but operate on extinct!
The endangered species laws are being eroded on a daily basis. Congress doesn't care about wildlife, wetlands or anything else that would protect the different species. Just picture Sarah Palin shooting wolves from a helicopter!

Humans don't have the right to love and kindness? Unbelievable!
 
You are too funny. Have you ever curled up with a snake? They have needs, but operate on extinct!
The endangered species laws are being eroded on a daily basis. Congress doesn't care about wildlife, wetlands or anything else that would protect the different species. Just picture Sarah Palin shooting wolves from a helicopter!

Humans don't have the right to love and kindness? Unbelievable!

Snakes have much less emotions than a dog has for example but they still have a certain level of emotions.
If laws are being violated or ignored then it's the fault of the justice system.
There is no such thing as "the right to love and kindness". There is the right to free movement, the right to life, etc. not "the right to love and be loved" or some bollocks like that.
 
Snakes have much less emotions than a dog has for example but they still have a certain level of emotions.
If laws are being violated or ignored then it's the fault of the justice system.
There is no such thing as "the right to love and kindness". There is the right to free movement, the right to life, etc. not "the right to love and be loved" or some bollocks like that.



Oh PLEASE, let me keep my illusions!
 
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