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    Re: Is outsourcing jobs overseas patriotic?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    If only they bought more automobiles with the goods or money that they don't have, they'd all be rich as Croesus.
    Incorrect, however...

    If only they had the money to purchase goods with, they wouldn't be poor.
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    Re: Is outsourcing jobs overseas patriotic?

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    It's caused by them not being paid enough and thus not being able to consume enough. Ending poverty is about a country doing whatever it takes to develop it's internal market. I don't really think that's interesting, it's obvious.
    And why aren't they being paid enough? If we raised their minimum wage would that bring them out of poverty?

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    Re: Is outsourcing jobs overseas patriotic?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    And why aren't they being paid enough? If we raised their minimum wage would that bring them out of poverty?
    Increasing minimum wage would help in many countries, yes. But that's not the only issue and certainly not the only solution.

    Would you not agree that wealthier countries (Western Europe, the US, Canada, Australia, etc) tend to have better developed internal markets and government created infrastructure than poor countries? Do we not make more and spend more per person?
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    Re: Is outsourcing jobs overseas patriotic?

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    Increasing minimum wage would help in many countries, yes. But that's not the only issue and certainly not the only solution.

    Would you not agree that wealthier countries (Western Europe, the US, Canada, Australia, etc) tend to have better developed internal markets and government created infrastructure than poor countries? Do we not make more and spend more per person?
    Yes we make more, but why are we paid more? You're stuck on the proximal cause and ignoring the ultimate cause. Look at this interesting case study of Bangladesh to see what happened when the minimum wage was raised there.

    So Let's Look At What Happens When They Raise The Minimum Wage In Bangladesh - Forbes

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    Re: Is outsourcing jobs overseas patriotic?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Yes we make more, but why are we paid more? You're stuck on the proximal cause and ignoring the ultimate cause. Look at this interesting case study of Bangladesh to see what happened when the minimum wage was raised there.

    So Let's Look At What Happens When They Raise The Minimum Wage In Bangladesh - Forbes
    Do you really believe that an increase in minimum wage to $67/mth caused buyers to switch to lower labor cost countries? Really? There are countries where the min wage is less than $67/mth?

    Even the article you linked to said "Please note that this doesn’t mean that the minimum wage should not be raised. "

    Also, the unemployment rate in Bangladesh has historically always been very low, around 4% - basically full employment, so I doubt that if anyone does lose their job it will take very long to find a new one.

    Did you not notice that this article only referenced a couple of cherry picked employers who said that they may modernize their plants as a response to the higher min wage? You think that technology is a bad thing? Wouldn't adding technology make them more productive?

    Also, with a GDP growth rate exceeding 12%, it is only common sense that the population should grow wealthier over time, and increased pay is part of that.
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    Re: Is outsourcing jobs overseas patriotic?

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    Increasing minimum wage would help in many countries, yes. But that's not the only issue and certainly not the only solution.

    Would you not agree that wealthier countries (Western Europe, the US, Canada, Australia, etc) tend to have better developed internal markets and government created infrastructure than poor countries? Do we not make more and spend more per person?
    Oh sure we do, but the countries you mentioned are the innovators vs third world or worse countries. Microsoft changed the world how it functions, along with Steve Jobs and all the rest of the technology gurus. Then take the pharmaceutical industry. I mean the list goes on and on and on.
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    Re: Is outsourcing jobs overseas patriotic?

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    Incorrect, however...
    No, it's correct. If only they would have lots of demand for stuff, they'd be rich. Clearly they are only poor because they don't want things like air conditioning, safe water, automobiles, washing machines, etc.

    It's Demand that makes us wealthy, after all.

    If only they had the money to purchase goods with, they wouldn't be poor.
    tsk. that's a supply side argument.
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    Re: Is outsourcing jobs overseas patriotic?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    No, it's correct. If only they would have lots of demand for stuff, they'd be rich. Clearly they are only poor because they don't want things like air conditioning, safe water, automobiles, washing machines, etc.

    It's Demand that makes us wealthy, after all.



    tsk. that's a supply side argument.
    Having bad living conditions, things like a lack of HVAC, automobiles, and washing machines is pretty much how we define poor these days. If the worker consumer class had more money, they would be able to purchase these things. If their worker consumer class was purchasing these things, they could start creating these things.

    They are trapped in poverty until they create the types of policies that will allow their internal market to develop. Just doing the same stuff that they have already been doing will not magically result in prosperity.
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    Re: Is outsourcing jobs overseas patriotic?

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    Having bad living conditions, things like a lack of HVAC, automobiles, and washing machines is pretty much how we define poor these days. If the worker consumer class had more money, they would be able to purchase these things. If their worker consumer class was purchasing these things, they could start creating these things.
    Wrong. Money magically appears when you want things. Ergo, if only they had demand for those objects, they would be able to spur the economy by buying some.

    They are trapped in poverty until they create the types of policies that will allow their internal market to develop. Just doing the same stuff that they have already been doing will not magically result in prosperity.
    then they should try going deeply into debt in order to purchase overpriced consumer goods.
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    Re: Is outsourcing jobs overseas patriotic?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Wrong. Money magically appears when you want things. Ergo, if only they had demand for those objects, they would be able to spur the economy by buying some.
    Money is created by lending or by the government. What you are talking about isn't demand, it's desire or want, when I say demand, that means actual realized demand, as in sales.


    then they should try going deeply into debt in order to purchase overpriced consumer goods.
    It works in the US, but we didn't used to have to do that, until wages for the vast majority stagnated during the mid 1970's.

    I suspect that you and I have a very different view of what wealth is.
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