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    Re: Is outsourcing jobs overseas patriotic?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Not to mention the lower market for US exports once we start a (union led?) trade war.
    Reciprocity in action - excellent point!
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    Re: Is outsourcing jobs overseas patriotic?

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    Reciprocity in action - excellent point!
    Speaking of that reciprocity:

    While Nascar often trumpets the high visibility enjoyed by its sponsors, whose logos festoon cars, as well as fans’ fidelity to brands that bankroll drivers, one of the highest returns for companies’ investments actually comes not from consumers but from other companies. The biggest fish some advertisers are reeling in, it turns out, are other advertisers.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/18/bu...adco.html?_r=0
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    Re: Is outsourcing jobs overseas patriotic?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Excellent read.

    Makes sense since NASCAR attendance is down due to their middle / lower middle class target market.

    Working man's sport my ass - most drivers fly in luxury and exclusivity to the races.

    I never understood why fans accepted such hypocrisy.

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    Re: Is outsourcing jobs overseas patriotic?

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    Excellent read.

    Makes sense since NASCAR attendance is down due to their middle / lower middle class target market.

    Working man's sport my ass - most drivers fly in luxury and exclusivity to the races.


    I never understood why fans accepted such hypocrisy.
    It gets better, NASCAR changed the rules in order to help ensure that the "top 35" cars get into every race (guaranteed advertising for the sponsors) even if they experienced probelms that would have previously left them out of a given race.

    Racing for Sponsors - Forbes.com

    The latest deals:

    http://www.mrn.com/Race-Series/NASCA...any-Teams.aspx
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    Re: Is outsourcing jobs overseas patriotic?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    You also cannot be a winning nation if the labor unions are permitted to run the show. US cars (and motorcycles), for example, were grossly overpriced primarily because US labor rates were artificially inflated by unions and "to compete" the US auto industry started to import many parts, eventually making a "US" car out of mostly imported parts. Note that we now count Canadian parts as basically domestic (US) parts when denoting the imported content of a "US" car.
    Labor unions while very powerful at one time, have never "run the show." Workers have a right to form unions to negotiate in their interests. If what they demand cannot be met, then close the business. If their demands are not realistic, they will not be able to find work and then they will have to settle for what is realistic. It does not mean that you pack up the whole show, dismantle the manufacturing base, go to another country, build up China, and then say "Oh look! They are a military threat to us now!"

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    Re: Is outsourcing jobs overseas patriotic?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    We now here calls that the U.S. must confront the rise of China. However, China's rise has been facilitated by the outsourcing of U.S. manufacturing to places like China, and selling those cheap goods to U.S. consumers. As such, is the outsourcing of jobs overseas patriotic?
    Personally, I think this is a foolish question. It would be just as foolish to put up a poll asking if demands for a $15 minimum wage are unpatriotic because we know that many goods manufactured these days could not be profitable if the labour costs were $15/hr or more. As a result, a $15 minimum wage may force outsourcing of many low lever manufacturing and entry level service jobs as well as promote illegal immigration/labour in agriculture and property maintenance, etc.
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    Re: Is outsourcing jobs overseas patriotic?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Labor unions while very powerful at one time, have never "run the show." Workers have a right to form unions to negotiate in their interests. If what they demand cannot be met, then close the business. If their demands are not realistic, they will not be able to find work and then they will have to settle for what is realistic. It does not mean that you pack up the whole show, dismantle the manufacturing base, go to another country, build up China, and then say "Oh look! They are a military threat to us now!"
    Your (bolded above) scenario is not what happened to GM or Chrysler. Too big to fail, yet just right to bail.

    Bailout debate: How the Big 3 came apart and how to fix them - Nov. 17, 2008
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    Re: Is outsourcing jobs overseas patriotic?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Personally, I think this is a foolish question. It would be just as foolish to put up a poll asking if demands for a $15 minimum wage are unpatriotic because we know that many goods manufactured these days could not be profitable if the labour costs were $15/hr or more. As a result, a $15 minimum wage may force outsourcing of many low lever manufacturing and entry level service jobs as well as promote illegal immigration/labour in agriculture and property maintenance, etc.
    No it isn't foolish for the reason that dismantling the manufacturing base erodes the middle class and those ruins the economy. The only damn thing it has done is made it such that the economy depends on the ability of the system to provide credit, which has led to the enormous amount of indebtedness of the U.S. today. It's totally stupid, brain dead, foolish, and myopic. Over and above that it is unsustainable, and did, in fact, contribute to the 2008 financial crisis.

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    Re: Is outsourcing jobs overseas patriotic?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    No it isn't foolish for the reason that dismantling the manufacturing base erodes the middle class and those ruins the economy. The only damn thing it has done is made it such that the economy depends on the ability of the system to provide credit, which has led to the enormous amount of indebtedness of the U.S. today. It's totally stupid, brain dead, foolish, and myopic. Over and above that it is unsustainable, and did, in fact, contribute to the 2008 financial crisis.
    Wow - who knew? Is it responsible for climate change too?
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    Re: Is outsourcing jobs overseas patriotic?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Your (bolded above) scenario is not what happened to GM or Chrysler. Too big to fail, yet just right to bail.

    Bailout debate: How the Big 3 came apart and how to fix them - Nov. 17, 2008
    There should have been higher tariffs on imported cars from the beginning.

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