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    Re: Is outsourcing jobs overseas patriotic?

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    It may not be patriotic but it sure as hell is the intelligent thing to do since American wages and worker entitlements have pretty much gone sky high that they are uncompetitive.
    You say it is intelligent, but then we have to consider why China is perceived as a threat to U.S. hegemony now.

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    Re: Is outsourcing jobs overseas patriotic?

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    Exactly.

    We can thank China for the formaldehyde in our flooring and drywall that is sickening Americans.

    There is an alternative impact for any decision.
    With all international trade there are both benefits and costs - the trick is to be the "winning" nation. Obviously, that depends heavily upon who gets to decide the rules of the international trade game. As an example look at the, very messy, US/Canada softwood lumber trade situation.

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canad...lumber_dispute
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    Re: Is outsourcing jobs overseas patriotic?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    With all international trade there are both benefits and costs - the trick is to be the "winning" nation.
    You can't be the winning nation by dismantling your manufacturing base and sending it overseas. It ruins the economy because it destroys the middle class, and it is facilitating the rise of Chinese military might.

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    Re: Is outsourcing jobs overseas patriotic?

    Only an idiot CEO would make financial decisions based on 'patriotism'. And only an idiot shareholder would want the company he/she is invested in to make business decisions based on 'patriotism' - unless they were stinking rich already and could afford to lose money.

    And I don't see millions of Americans demanding domestically manufactured products. If enough of them did AND they were prepared to pay the premium for domestic manufacture, then the companies would not ship their production facilities overseas. But since the masses just whine on chat forums/local bars about it and do virtually nothing else to change things - then if anyone is unpatriotic on this subject, it is them.



    BTW - I don't give a sh!t about 'patriotism'. All that is to me is a word politicians throw around when they want to get people to do unpleasant/awful things that they might not do otherwise.

    Other then sports, I have near zero loyalty to my country (or any other country).

    My loyalty is to honor...THAT is my country.

    When I was younger and joined the military - I felt somewhat differently. But eventually I grew up and smartened up (at least on that issue).
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    Re: Is outsourcing jobs overseas patriotic?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    You can't be the winning nation by dismantling your manufacturing base and sending it overseas. It ruins the economy because it destroys the middle class, and it is facilitating the rise of Chinese military might.
    You also cannot be a winning nation if the labor unions are permitted to run the show. US cars (and motorcycles), for example, were grossly overpriced primarily because US labor rates were artificially inflated by unions and "to compete" the US auto industry started to import many parts, eventually making a "US" car out of mostly imported parts. Note that we now count Canadian parts as basically domestic (US) parts when denoting the imported content of a "US" car.

    Full-size truck buyers may be surprised that the Toyota Tundra uses more domestic parts than any of its rivals. With 80 percent of its parts from the U.S. and Canada, the Tundra is 10 percent more American than its closest domestic rival, the Dodge Ram, and significantly more American than the Ford F-Series, which gets 40 percent of its parts from other countries.

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    Re: Is outsourcing jobs overseas patriotic?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    With all international trade there are both benefits and costs - the trick is to be the "winning" nation. Obviously, that depends heavily upon who gets to decide the rules of the international trade game. As an example look at the, very messy, US/Canada softwood lumber trade situation.

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canad...lumber_dispute
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    Re: Is outsourcing jobs overseas patriotic?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    You can't be the winning nation by dismantling your manufacturing base and sending it overseas. It ruins the economy because it destroys the middle class, and it is facilitating the rise of Chinese military might.
    That's right - leave the production here, increase the prices of the goods, and see how quickly that will pummel the middle class, who then cannot afford the more expensive domestic goods.
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    Re: Is outsourcing jobs overseas patriotic?

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    God bless the political intervention to screw up any situation.
    And don't forget that spotted owl or looking for the union label.
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    Re: Is outsourcing jobs overseas patriotic?

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    Why would our standard of living crash?

    If we stopped outsourcing as many jobs, then more people in the US would have jobs, which means we would produce more wealth right here in the USA.

    Now maybe that would cause a few percent inflation, but like it or not, the Federal Reserve has determined that a few percent of inflation is stimulative to our economy and they strive to achieve such. So if we had a few percent of inflation due to cost push pressure, it would simply help to achieve the Feds goal, without the fed having to intervene by pumping more money into the system - so most likely there would be no additional inflation than what would have occurred without more jobs.

    In the mean time, our wages would naturally tend to rise as employers have to compete harder and harder for workers, consumption increases as more people get jobs, production increases as businesses strive to meet demand, and the GDP increases. None of that is a bad thing, it's basically what happens when we have a strong economy.

    You think that a strong economy = crash?
    Well I can remember the early days when manufacturing was going down in the US due to overseas competition, and the unions were demanding protect. The voters wouldn't have it, though, they liked inexpensive, high quality goods. And so it has been from that day to this. I doubt if we ever go back.

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    Re: Is outsourcing jobs overseas patriotic?

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    That's right - leave the production here, increase the prices of the goods, and see how quickly that will pummel the middle class, who then cannot afford the more expensive domestic goods.
    Not to mention the lower market for US exports once we start a (union led?) trade war.
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    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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