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    Re: Is outsourcing jobs overseas patriotic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    The USSR was a marxist-leninist state that was not as bad as you make it out to be.
    LOLWHUT, estimates say Stalin killed up to 60 million people- if you dont consider that bad at all I would hate to think what your benchmark is. Only a sociopath would think that is acceptable.

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    Re: Is outsourcing jobs overseas patriotic?

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    LOLWHUT, estimates say Stalin killed up to 60 million people- if you dont consider that bad at all I would hate to think what your benchmark is. Only a sociopath would think that is acceptable.

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    Re: Is outsourcing jobs overseas patriotic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    Ah, and capitalism hasn't killed millions or caused starvation? Ah, keep saying "communist" way, not knowing anything about history, nor mao/stalin. You don't even know what communism is.
    Quote Originally Posted by AmericanSpartan View Post
    "Holodomor" Ukrainian Famine/Genocide of 1932-33

    How are they anything but innocent?

    That statement says more about you and the sickness of your ideology.

    Why is never people like you who die in such democides...Why?




    They have the chance and means of advancing and will if they choose to as the goverment does not impede them.

    Yes it was, waiting in line for bread and toilet on top if 14% inflation.

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    Poverty, Crime, Terror, Enslavement, and Democide, how is that anything but the very definition of failure.
    Quote Originally Posted by AmericanSpartan View Post
    No, it is has not. Name us one time owners took unarmed people out a field and shot them after having them dig their own graves...Name us one time.

    Name us one time we had troops take away crops from farmers (who they later shot after the harvest) and the people of a nation to use those funds to build up industry while millions of people starved to death and those that did restored to cannibalism,...Name us one time that happened under capitalism.


    Because that happened in the Ukraine. It was called the Holodomor.
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    Re: Is outsourcing jobs overseas patriotic?

    I read an in depth report a few years ago that focused on the effects of our outsourcing (will look for it) but its findings were basically this, Americans would currently have approx 40% less in physical goods for the same amount of money. Outsourcing gave the US economy and its citizens a big boost which started in the 80's and into the 90's as a result of the influx of cheaper goods. Consumers had more purchasing power and more cash to do it with. It was a time of greater wealth for your average citizen, short term it seemed to greatly benefit Americans.

    However in the long term (which I believe we are in the transition of now) we will in fact lose overall wealth as our middle and lower class jobs are moved overseas. The lose of national income will begin to out pace the earnings saved by cheaper goods and the only people that will prosper in the long run will be the wealthy who could afford to move their businesses overseas, for the rest of us it will be a gradual downhill slide.

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    Re: Is outsourcing jobs overseas patriotic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Nossir. I wouldn't go so far as to call it treason.... but it damn sure isn't patriotic.
    Don't forget greed, Goshin. Someone is getting rich. It isn't the average citizen, but in the end, it will be all of us who have to suffer the consequences.
    What's more, to think we are borrowing from China while we are giving away money we don't have, it is just insane.

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    Re: Is outsourcing jobs overseas patriotic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lovebug View Post
    Don't forget greed, Goshin. Someone is getting rich. It isn't the average citizen, but in the end, it will be all of us who have to suffer the consequences.
    What's more, to think we are borrowing from China while we are giving away money we don't have, it is just insane.
    We all do what satisfies our self interest. What's wrong with getting rich? What's this got to do with China? Oh, I've got it. Your self interest, greed, says that you want someone else to pay your fair share of taxes just because this someone else has more money than you.
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    Re: Is outsourcing jobs overseas patriotic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    If the price is the same. Problem is it never is. That is exactly why you buy foreign made goods.
    I said all things equal. No it's not exactly why. There are other things involved. Part of the problem is sometimes that's all that is readily available. For example, I took one of my daughter's shopping. We went to a particular store where she likes to buy her clothes. While she was trying on some clothes I started looking at where the things were made. Almost everything came from China.

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    Wrong again, it has happened many times in the past and further they could shut down all our manufacturing of products in foreign countries. Like shutting down GM from making cars in Europe as an example. You are asking for a trade war.
    No I am not wrong. And we only need to look at the trade deficit to see that. If every country that imports to the U.S. where shut out of U.S. markets, they would hurt much more than we would. If we did that and forced the manufacturing to return here, there would be some initial pain, but we would rebound, there would be many more jobs, and the economy would flourish. It might mean less profits for wealthy investors, but it would be great, after some initial pain, for workers.

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    Re: Is outsourcing jobs overseas patriotic?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    I said all things equal. No it's not exactly why. There are other things involved. Part of the problem is sometimes that's all that is readily available. For example, I took one of my daughter's shopping. We went to a particular store where she likes to buy her clothes. While she was trying on some clothes I started looking at where the things were made. Almost everything came from China.



    No I am not wrong. And we only need to look at the trade deficit to see that. If every country that imports to the U.S. where shut out of U.S. markets, they would hurt much more than we would. If we did that and forced the manufacturing to return here, there would be some initial pain, but we would rebound, there would be many more jobs, and the economy would flourish. It might mean less profits for wealthy investors, but it would be great, after some initial pain, for workers.
    Yea, you are totally wrong - completely bull**** logic rooted in ignorance.

    US businesses could not be forced to return manufacturing to the US for a myriad of reasons.

    The higher price of US labor would drive up prices, curtail consumer spending power, and spur inflation.

    Increased business costs due to higher labor would drive prices through the roof, and reduce available capital for asset purchases and business expansion - there would be no demand for expansion, as business would reduce investment in human and non-human assets due to plummeting sales and profits.

    There would be no 'rebound' - it would be catastrophic failure of the US economy as reduced consumer purchasing power would severely reduce consumption, business would cut back labor forces due to reduced demand, and furloughed workers would drain governmental resources.

    Rudimentary economics textbooks would help you to understand some of these basic principles.
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    Re: Is outsourcing jobs overseas patriotic?

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    Yea, you are totally wrong - completely bull**** logic rooted in ignorance.

    US businesses could not be forced to return manufacturing to the US for a myriad of reasons.

    The higher price of US labor would drive up prices, curtail consumer spending power, and spur inflation.

    Increased business costs due to higher labor would drive prices through the roof, and reduce available capital for asset purchases and business expansion - there would be no demand for expansion, as business would reduce investment in human and non-human assets due to plummeting sales and profits.

    There would be no 'rebound' - it would be catastrophic failure of the US economy as reduced consumer purchasing power would severely reduce consumption, business would cut back labor forces due to reduced demand, and furloughed workers would drain governmental resources.

    Rudimentary economics textbooks would help you to understand some of these basic principles.
    Well said

    I would add our standard of living would crash.
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    Re: Is outsourcing jobs overseas patriotic?

    It depends.

    It should be considered Patriotic when it takes jobs away from supporters of Liberals and other socialist based ideologies.

    I personally try to Buy American, if I know it is from a Right to Work, non-Liberal loving state. I don't see supporters Unions, of the EPA and "Nannie Government as being American. The only ones who really need fear competition are those who are losers who know they cannot compete.
    Be sure to work hard and get lots of overtime. People on welfare want more steaks and free upgrades to smart phones with unlimited data packages.

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