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Thread: Should the Patriot Act be allow to expire?

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    Should the Patriot Act be allow to expire?

    Parts of the act are set to expire on June 1 if congress does nothing. Do you guys think this is a good idea?

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    Re: Should the Patriot Act be allow to expire?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    Parts of the act are set to expire on June 1 if congress does nothing. Do you guys think this is a good idea?


    What does it matter truly?


    Every government in existence with an economic budget above water is collecting all data on their nationals (and practically everybody else) anyways and has been for decades. They have everything and always will. I think it's something people have to just come to terms with and constantly chip away at legally because it's always going to be there. They're always going to have that legal authority with or without the Patriot Act. National Governments power is supra-natural. It doesn't truly have any regulation in respect to its intelligence services and never could or they'd be useless against intelligence services that have no such restrictions.

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    Re: Should the Patriot Act be allow to expire?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    Parts of the act are set to expire on June 1 if congress does nothing. Do you guys think this is a good idea?
    Let it expire.If there is good parts in it they do stand alone bills on those parts.
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    Re: Should the Patriot Act be allow to expire?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    Parts of the act are set to expire on June 1 if congress does nothing. Do you guys think this is a good idea?
    It never should have passed to begin with. The whole thing should be allowed to expire, not just parts of it. Actually scratch that...it should be immediately be repealed.
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    Re: Should the Patriot Act be allow to expire?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    Parts of the act are set to expire on June 1 if congress does nothing. Do you guys think this is a good idea?
    Indubitably.
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    Re: Should the Patriot Act be allow to expire?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Let it expire.If there is good parts in it they do stand alone bills on those parts.
    I agree, if some parts of it are necessary, let those be argued on their own merit.

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    Re: Should the Patriot Act be allow to expire?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    Parts of the act are set to expire on June 1 if congress does nothing. Do you guys think this is a good idea?
    Yes, it should be allowed to expire, but it won't. It'll be extended, pretty much intact, if not expanded.
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    Re: Should the Patriot Act be allow to expire?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    It never should have passed to begin with. The whole thing should be allowed to expire, not just parts of it. Actually scratch that...it should be immediately be repealed.
    I'm with ya, but I won't hold my breath.
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    Re: Should the Patriot Act be allow to expire?

    I'd need to look into what parts are going to be expiring.

    There are a number of provisions that had sunsets built into them from the onset that absolutely should be allowed to expire. The reality is the pendulumn of public desire has swung back more towards freedom than security as we've moved farther from the original threat, and as such the will just isn't there for the more extreme measures any longer. That's precisely the reason sunsets were included and and for the vast majority of them I'd absolutely support their expiration.

    If it's a larger reauthorization of the entire bill, then I'd be against seeing it expire. Though I would hope politicians would use it as an oppertunity to remove some of the more troubling parts of it at the time of reauthorization, as opposed to simply reauthorizing it as a whole and then turning around to use it as a political issue again.
    Imagine if Walmart owned access to all the streets in your town. You can go to Target or the mom and pop downtown if you want, but all the roads leading there require a toll, whereas the roads leading to Walmart are free. That is not the avenue the internet needs to go down.

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    Re: Should the Patriot Act be allow to expire?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    Parts of the act are set to expire on June 1 if congress does nothing. Do you guys think this is a good idea?
    Let it expire. It won't be missed.
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