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    5 16.67%
  • Important, but not a litmus test.

    11 36.67%
  • Somewhat important, but pretty low on the scale.

    8 26.67%
  • Not important whatsoever.

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    How important is experience when choosing a President?

    How important is experience when choosing a President?

    How much importance do YOU put on experience when you cast your vote?

    For years I have railed against experienced "Beltway Politicians"... the ones we always complain about... for doing the same stuff to us that they've always done. The idea of someone not beholden to party interests was/is hugely attractive. I wanted somebody to be pretty much independent... an "outsider". I mean, if prison is a school for criminals, isn't Congress the same thing?

    Yet the last couple times we have tried that... Carter and Obama... it's been a huge unmitigated failure.

    Carter was a competent Governor, but knew almost no one in Washington and didn't even try to fit in. He was resented because of that, and nobody would work with him. He was an outsider and had no clue how to work that.

    Obama's biggest shortcoming has turned out to be his inexperience and lack of established working relationships. If he had served at least a couple full terms in Congress, and established some friendships, or at least working relationships, I think his Presidency would have been far different. Capable, at least. His cooperation issues are not wholly the Rep's fault.

    Hence I have been rethinking this. I still don't want somebody so entrenched that I can never trust them, yet I now realize they need to know something about how to work the system, and you can only gain that from the system, so I've come to realize that I don't want somebody so out-of-touch and so inexperienced that they're weak and ineffective, either. Where's the happy-medium?
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    Re: How important is experience when choosing a President?

    How important is experience when choosing a President?
    i'm most interested in the candidate's platform. experience gives me the opportunity to see their voting record, though, so it's at least somewhat valuable for that reason.

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    Re: How important is experience when choosing a President?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    How important is experience when choosing a President?

    How much importance do YOU put on experience when you cast your vote?

    For years I have railed against experienced "Beltway Politicians"... the ones we always complain about... for doing the same stuff to us that they've always done. The idea of someone not beholden to party interests was/is hugely attractive. I wanted somebody to be pretty much independent... an "outsider". I mean, if prison is a school for criminals, isn't Congress the same thing?

    Yet the last couple times we have tried that... Carter and Obama... it's been a huge unmitigated failure.

    Carter was a competent Governor, but knew almost no one in Washington and didn't even try to fit in. He was resented because of that, and nobody would work with him. He was an outsider and had no clue how to work that.

    Obama's biggest shortcoming has turned out to be his inexperience and lack of established working relationships. If he had served at least a couple full terms in Congress, and established some friendships, or at least working relationships, I think his Presidency would have been far different. Capable, at least. His cooperation issues are not wholly the Rep's fault.

    Hence I have been rethinking this. I still don't want somebody so entrenched that I can never trust them, yet I now realize they need to know something about how to work the system, and you can only gain that from the system, so I've come to realize that I don't want somebody so out-of-touch and so inexperienced that they're weak and ineffective, either. Where's the happy-medium?
    Experience is a factor, but I can't really rank it. There will be 2 major candidates(outside chance of a third). One will most likely be significantly better than the other in how I rank them. Usually it is really clear cut, one stands for things I support, one stands for things I don't support. Primaries are a somewhat different animal. In primaries I cannot think of a case where it experience has been a deciding factor for me though, so again it is hard to quantify.
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    Re: How important is experience when choosing a President?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    How important is experience when choosing a President?

    How much importance do YOU put on experience when you cast your vote?

    For years I have railed against experienced "Beltway Politicians"... the ones we always complain about... for doing the same stuff to us that they've always done. The idea of someone not beholden to party interests was/is hugely attractive. I wanted somebody to be pretty much independent... an "outsider". I mean, if prison is a school for criminals, isn't Congress the same thing?

    Yet the last couple times we have tried that... Carter and Obama... it's been a huge unmitigated failure.

    Carter was a competent Governor, but knew almost no one in Washington and didn't even try to fit in. He was resented because of that, and nobody would work with him. He was an outsider and had no clue how to work that.

    Obama's biggest shortcoming has turned out to be his inexperience and lack of established working relationships. If he had served at least a couple full terms in Congress, and established some friendships, or at least working relationships, I think his Presidency would have been far different. Capable, at least. His cooperation issues are not wholly the Rep's fault.

    Hence I have been rethinking this. I still don't want somebody so entrenched that I can never trust them, yet I now realize they need to know something about how to work the system, and you can only gain that from the system, so I've come to realize that I don't want somebody so out-of-touch and so inexperienced that they're weak and ineffective, either. Where's the happy-medium?
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    Re: How important is experience when choosing a President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    i'm most interested in the candidate's platform. experience gives me the opportunity to see their voting record, though, so it's at least somewhat valuable for that reason.
    That is about right, though, I would put more weight on whether the candidate intends to and can achieve, what she is promising me than on the promise.

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    Re: How important is experience when choosing a President?

    That depends on what kind of "experience" you're talking about. Political experience? Somewhat important. Leadership experience? Huge. Business experience? Very important. Experience managing a budget? Huge. Payroll? Huge.
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    Re: How important is experience when choosing a President?

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    That is about right, though, I would put more weight on whether the candidate intends to and can achieve, what she is promising me than on the promise.
    the answer to that is pretty much always no, unless the president's party controls congress. even then, you're going to get fifty to sixty percent of what they are promising at most.

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    Re: How important is experience when choosing a President?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    How important is experience when choosing a President?

    How much importance do YOU put on experience when you cast your vote?

    For years I have railed against experienced "Beltway Politicians"... the ones we always complain about... for doing the same stuff to us that they've always done. The idea of someone not beholden to party interests was/is hugely attractive. I wanted somebody to be pretty much independent... an "outsider". I mean, if prison is a school for criminals, isn't Congress the same thing?

    Yet the last couple times we have tried that... Carter and Obama... it's been a huge unmitigated failure.

    Carter was a competent Governor, but knew almost no one in Washington and didn't even try to fit in. He was resented because of that, and nobody would work with him. He was an outsider and had no clue how to work that.

    Obama's biggest shortcoming has turned out to be his inexperience and lack of established working relationships. If he had served at least a couple full terms in Congress, and established some friendships, or at least working relationships, I think his Presidency would have been far different. Capable, at least. His cooperation issues are not wholly the Rep's fault.

    Hence I have been rethinking this. I still don't want somebody so entrenched that I can never trust them, yet I now realize they need to know something about how to work the system, and you can only gain that from the system, so I've come to realize that I don't want somebody so out-of-touch and so inexperienced that they're weak and ineffective, either. Where's the happy-medium?

    Let's examine history then.

    teddy Roosevelt was a great president, accomplished more than many combinations of presidents. He had been a state rep, teacher, attorney general of New York\, secretary of the Navy as well as a successful politician.

    Kennedy was a token Senator and former Naval officer and almost got us into WW3. Johnson was a beltway bully who declined to run a second term he was so despised. Nixon had been all the above, a lawyer and a governor and actually, his criminal activities notwithstanding, accomplished a lot. Carter we have reviewed but we have to add internationally incompetent in his case, he was not equipped to handle the affairs of foreign dealings.

    Reagan, well, a former broadcaster, union president twice, student revolt leader, secretary of the Actor's guild and Governor of California.

    So in answer to your question, life and management experience are manifest, but political experience is what you get.
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    Re: How important is experience when choosing a President?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    How important is experience when choosing a President?

    How much importance do YOU put on experience when you cast your vote?

    For years I have railed against experienced "Beltway Politicians"... the ones we always complain about... for doing the same stuff to us that they've always done. The idea of someone not beholden to party interests was/is hugely attractive. I wanted somebody to be pretty much independent... an "outsider". I mean, if prison is a school for criminals, isn't Congress the same thing?

    Yet the last couple times we have tried that... Carter and Obama... it's been a huge unmitigated failure.

    Carter was a competent Governor, but knew almost no one in Washington and didn't even try to fit in. He was resented because of that, and nobody would work with him. He was an outsider and had no clue how to work that.

    Obama's biggest shortcoming has turned out to be his inexperience and lack of established working relationships. If he had served at least a couple full terms in Congress, and established some friendships, or at least working relationships, I think his Presidency would have been far different. Capable, at least. His cooperation issues are not wholly the Rep's fault.

    Hence I have been rethinking this. I still don't want somebody so entrenched that I can never trust them, yet I now realize they need to know something about how to work the system, and you can only gain that from the system, so I've come to realize that I don't want somebody so out-of-touch and so inexperienced that they're weak and ineffective, either. Where's the happy-medium?
    Experience should never be considered a crucial factor in deciding whom to vote for, for president. Dubya had a significant amount of experience...and we all see how that turned out.
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    Re: How important is experience when choosing a President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    the answer to that is pretty much always no, unless the president's party controls congress. even then, you're going to get fifty to sixty percent of what they are promising at most.
    yep. one will get you 80%, some 50%, but I think 30% is just too little.

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