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    5 16.67%
  • Important, but not a litmus test.

    11 36.67%
  • Somewhat important, but pretty low on the scale.

    8 26.67%
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    Re: How important is experience when choosing a President?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    How important is experience when choosing a President?

    How much importance do YOU put on experience when you cast your vote?

    For years I have railed against experienced "Beltway Politicians"... the ones we always complain about... for doing the same stuff to us that they've always done. The idea of someone not beholden to party interests was/is hugely attractive. I wanted somebody to be pretty much independent... an "outsider". I mean, if prison is a school for criminals, isn't Congress the same thing?

    Yet the last couple times we have tried that... Carter and Obama... it's been a huge unmitigated failure.

    Carter was a competent Governor, but knew almost no one in Washington and didn't even try to fit in. He was resented because of that, and nobody would work with him. He was an outsider and had no clue how to work that.

    Obama's biggest shortcoming has turned out to be his inexperience and lack of established working relationships. If he had served at least a couple full terms in Congress, and established some friendships, or at least working relationships, I think his Presidency would have been far different. Capable, at least. His cooperation issues are not wholly the Rep's fault.

    Hence I have been rethinking this. I still don't want somebody so entrenched that I can never trust them, yet I now realize they need to know something about how to work the system, and you can only gain that from the system, so I've come to realize that I don't want somebody so out-of-touch and so inexperienced that they're weak and ineffective, either. Where's the happy-medium?
    Its a little ironic that you talk about Carter and Obama and yet fail to mention probably the most incompetent President this country has ever had. GWB drove this country to the brink of bankruptcy and had a foregin policy that was nothing short of a complete disaster. He had some experience as Governor of Texas that obviously did not help him know how to run a country. So that being said, I think experience can be a big help but it is not always an indicator of success.

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    Re: How important is experience when choosing a President?

    Experience is meaningless. Lincoln was very inexperienced and was one of the greatest presidents in US history. Buchanan was one of the most experienced and is the second worst president in US history after George W Bush. Bush was also experienced and is undeniably the worst chief executive and head of state in the history of all first world democracies.
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    Re: How important is experience when choosing a President?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    How important is experience when choosing a President?

    How much importance do YOU put on experience when you cast your vote?

    For years I have railed against experienced "Beltway Politicians"... the ones we always complain about... for doing the same stuff to us that they've always done. The idea of someone not beholden to party interests was/is hugely attractive. I wanted somebody to be pretty much independent... an "outsider". I mean, if prison is a school for criminals, isn't Congress the same thing?

    Yet the last couple times we have tried that... Carter and Obama... it's been a huge unmitigated failure.

    Carter was a competent Governor, but knew almost no one in Washington and didn't even try to fit in. He was resented because of that, and nobody would work with him. He was an outsider and had no clue how to work that.

    Obama's biggest shortcoming has turned out to be his inexperience and lack of established working relationships. If he had served at least a couple full terms in Congress, and established some friendships, or at least working relationships, I think his Presidency would have been far different. Capable, at least. His cooperation issues are not wholly the Rep's fault.

    Hence I have been rethinking this. I still don't want somebody so entrenched that I can never trust them, yet I now realize they need to know something about how to work the system, and you can only gain that from the system, so I've come to realize that I don't want somebody so out-of-touch and so inexperienced that they're weak and ineffective, either. Where's the happy-medium?
    I think my ideal president would be one who knows how to work the system but wants to change said system at the same time.

    Since, IMO, many if not all of the issues we have are caused by the system...
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    Re: How important is experience when choosing a President?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    How important is experience when choosing a President?

    How much importance do YOU put on experience when you cast your vote?

    For years I have railed against experienced "Beltway Politicians"... the ones we always complain about... for doing the same stuff to us that they've always done. The idea of someone not beholden to party interests was/is hugely attractive. I wanted somebody to be pretty much independent... an "outsider". I mean, if prison is a school for criminals, isn't Congress the same thing?

    Yet the last couple times we have tried that... Carter and Obama... it's been a huge unmitigated failure.

    Carter was a competent Governor, but knew almost no one in Washington and didn't even try to fit in. He was resented because of that, and nobody would work with him. He was an outsider and had no clue how to work that.

    Obama's biggest shortcoming has turned out to be his inexperience and lack of established working relationships. If he had served at least a couple full terms in Congress, and established some friendships, or at least working relationships, I think his Presidency would have been far different. Capable, at least. His cooperation issues are not wholly the Rep's fault.

    Hence I have been rethinking this. I still don't want somebody so entrenched that I can never trust them, yet I now realize they need to know something about how to work the system, and you can only gain that from the system, so I've come to realize that I don't want somebody so out-of-touch and so inexperienced that they're weak and ineffective, either. Where's the happy-medium?
    Interesting that you cite Obama and Carter and then call them "huge, unmitigated failures".... Lumping those two together and calling them "huge, unmitigated failures" gets this thing off to a bad start... as 1) each are generally considered mid-tier presidents, in terms of presidential success (while you were silent about another recent president that is generally thought of as lower in the rankings) and 2) Obama actually comes to Washington with some (albeit not much) inside experience, the only president in 35 years, except H.W. that actually had Washington experience when he assumed office.

    While the question is a valid one, the introduction is all wrong. Next time, try it without the partisan hackery so boldly displayed.

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    Re: How important is experience when choosing a President?

    I don't tend to rank experience at all, mostly pay attention to policy and beliefs. Well, I do like voting records, so in that case I suppose was incorrect is saying it doesn't matter, but it's generally boils down to if they support the things I support or not. Even if, with Presidents, policy isn't quite as important as it is in local, state, and house/senate races.

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    Re: How important is experience when choosing a President?

    I really don't think there is any job out there that can prepare one for being POTUS. Not Governor, even though it is an executive position, not Senator, not CEO of a large corporation, not a former General, not Vice President.

    That said, if you sucked at any of those things you probably aren't cut out to be POTUS either.

    As much as I dislike Hillary, I actually think being First Lady prepares one to be President more than any of the other things I listed. Why? Because, assuming the marriage is a close one, the First Lady will be intimately aware of what the POTUS is going through. It doesn't mean she will be a good President, it just means she has a better idea of what to expect than anyone else, other than former Presidents.

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    Re: How important is experience when choosing a President?

    Quote Originally Posted by BrewerBob View Post
    I really don't think there is any job out there that can prepare one for being POTUS. Not Governor, even though it is an executive position, not Senator, not CEO of a large corporation, not a former General, not Vice President.

    That said, if you sucked at any of those things you probably aren't cut out to be POTUS either.

    As much as I dislike Hillary, I actually think being First Lady prepares one to be President more than any of the other things I listed. Why? Because, assuming the marriage is a close one, the First Lady will be intimately aware of what the POTUS is going through. It doesn't mean she will be a good President, it just means she has a better idea of what to expect than anyone else, other than former Presidents.
    I agree. I think George HW might have been the most "qualfied" president we have had in decades because he had legislative experience, business experience and a variety of jobs inside various administrations. George HW, in my opinion, was a decent president....

    As to sharing a bed with a president as a qualification, not only to you get the benefit of being a day to day eyewitness to the issues of the oval office, when you get to the oval office, you get to share a bed with someone that has been there before... a hands on, day to day, coach.

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    Re: How important is experience when choosing a President?

    Quote Originally Posted by BrewerBob View Post
    I really don't think there is any job out there that can prepare one for being POTUS. Not Governor, even though it is an executive position, not Senator, not CEO of a large corporation, not a former General, not Vice President.

    That said, if you sucked at any of those things you probably aren't cut out to be POTUS either.

    As much as I dislike Hillary, I actually think being First Lady prepares one to be President more than any of the other things I listed. Why? Because, assuming the marriage is a close one, the First Lady will be intimately aware of what the POTUS is going through. It doesn't mean she will be a good President, it just means she has a better idea of what to expect than anyone else, other than former Presidents.
    If I had to rank them, I'd place Senator/House Rep at the closest to being 'good' experience, but primarily because of the working relationships that should have been established within the framework of the federal government.

    Governor would be second, due to the executive aspect.

    I really don't place CEO/business executive experience as relevant at all. The two... running a for/profit business where you have to tell people 'no', and running government where you almost can't tell people 'no'... aren't even comparable.
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    How important is experience when choosing a President?

    One of the top considerations I have. Aside from basic ideological similarities and sheer likelihood of getting support , I go with experience, and then the team the candidate assembles for advisory purposes.

    All things considered, I prefer an insider to an outsider 9 times out of 10.
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    Re: How important is experience when choosing a President?

    I am assuming you mean POLITICAL experience. The biggest problem with our government now is PROFESSIONAL POLITICIANS. Term limits NOW!!!!

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