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    Re: Are high student loan interest rates a form of tax on the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    The don't buy clothes? Or the means to make clothes? Or food? You cannot avoid sales taxes unless you live in a tent in the woods.
    Then live in a tent in the woods. Makes as much sense in this century as it is to expect success with no college education.
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    Re: Are high student loan interest rates a form of tax on the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Unless you're a rare talent like Lebron James or Bill Gates you are going to most likely need a college education to get anywhere in the 21st century. I don't like it, but that's reality.




    democracy: a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives.

    Democracy is the broader term. You can say democratic republic to get more specific, but saying we're not a democracy is plain wrong.
    Given the excessive cost of some colleges, and rising student debt, this is becoming less true.

    There are other ways.

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    Re: Are high student loan interest rates a form of tax on the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Then live in a tent in the woods. Makes as much sense in this century as it is to expect success with no college education.
    That is correct. A college education has become almost an prerequisite for obtaining employment that pays a living wage in this country. It is ridiculous to think otherwise.

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    Re: Are high student loan interest rates a form of tax on the middle class?

    "Men did not make the earth ... it is the value of the improvement only, and not the earth itself, that is individual property... Every proprietor owes to the community a ground rent for the land which he holds." -- Thomas Paine, Agrarian Justice
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    Re: Are high student loan interest rates a form of tax on the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    Completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand.
    Ever heard of an analogy?
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    Re: Are high student loan interest rates a form of tax on the middle class?

    That is correct. A college education has become almost an prerequisite for obtaining employment that pays a living wage in this country. It is ridiculous to think otherwise.
    Sometimes I think people are just nuts. After years and years and years of young people being told that a college education is of primary importance to their future, a whopping one third of Americans between 25-29 years old now have a bachelor's degree.

    Record numbers earning college degree - CBS News

    That means that two thirds of those in that age group, which should have the highest college graduation of any group, DON'T have a degree.

    What should these people do ? Kill themselves ? Or should the society plan for the CERTAINTY that everyone is not going to have such a degree. Wouldn't that make more sense ?

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    Re: Are high student loan interest rates a form of tax on the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Ever heard of an analogy?
    Still not germane to the discussion at hand.
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    Re: Are high student loan interest rates a form of tax on the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Then live in a tent in the woods. Makes as much sense in this century as it is to expect success with no college education.
    Not the point. The point again is that taking a Federally subsidized student is not required to go to college. Paying sales tax is required and avoiding buying things that are subject to sales is a practical impossibility for virtually everyone in this country.
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    Re: Are high student loan interest rates a form of tax on the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Longshot Lou View Post
    Sometimes I think people are just nuts. After years and years and years of young people being told that a college education is of primary importance to their future, a whopping one third of Americans between 25-29 years old now have a bachelor's degree.

    Record numbers earning college degree - CBS News

    That means that two thirds of those in that age group, which should have the highest college graduation of any group, DON'T have a degree.

    What should these people do ? Kill themselves ? Or should the society plan for the CERTAINTY that everyone is not going to have such a degree. Wouldn't that make more sense ?
    Society should expect and demand that people are going to take care of themselves first and foremost. If and when bad times hit, like they do to a lot of people, that's when the safety nets should kick in, but not as a means to provide a lifestyle.
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