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    Re: A question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by youngturk View Post
    Well,someone who was born in the US might think it's the true religion,an Arab might think it's Islam and some Indian might think Buddhism is the true one.

    I don't see why it would be impossible for people from any religion to vote for the 3rd option?"It's just my religion" is always an option
    That is the point though.

    When one follows a faith there are several basic notions included in that following. One of those is the assumption of truth. It may be dogmatic and narrow-minded, but you create a bit of a dilemma if you suggest with any faith that it is not the true religion thus there could be an alternative.

    You are right in what the consequence of this usually is, and it is an unavoidable consequence. Christianity (perhaps even all the splinters of) will claim their faith is true. Same thing of Islam. Same thing of Judaism. Etc. It is not that your 3rd option is impossible, but it stands to reason that when that option is selected you are talking about a follower of some faith that does not completely buy into all the tenets of that faith in totality.

    You brought up Christianity. I would be interesting to see a Christian offer room for their religion to not be the true religion as the entire basis for Christianity is a "relationship with God based on trust and faith." Usually in the context of through Jesus. Why would that same person turn around and say "but we may not be right?" Christianity suggests that Jesus himself claims to be the only way that we can be right with God, use John 14:6. "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." (King James Version.) In that context, under Christianity, Jesus actually claims that he is the one in whom you must trust and who teaches the one true faith. A relationship with God through Jesus. There is little room in that interpretation for a Christian who holds those words as true to offer that there is no such thing as true religion. And all of this is just one example from one passage in a context.

    It also stands to reason that Islam and Judaism have similar contexts for words they hold true only to suggest their faith is also true. Why would any of them who hold these texts as true offer that their religion is not the true religion?

    Appreciate this argument coming from a non-believer, and agnostic but who has studied this.
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    Re: A question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    That is the point though.

    When one follows a faith there are several basic notions included in that following. One of those is the assumption of truth. It may be dogmatic and narrow-minded, but you create a bit of a dilemma if you suggest with any faith that it is not the true religion thus there could be an alternative.

    You are right in what the consequence of this usually is, and it is an unavoidable consequence. Christianity (perhaps even all the splinters of) will claim their faith is true. Same thing of Islam. Same thing of Judaism. Etc. It is not that your 3rd option is impossible, but it stands to reason that when that option is selected you are talking about a follower of some faith that does not completely buy into all the tenets of that faith in totality.

    You brought up Christianity. I would be interesting to see a Christian offer room for their religion to not be the true religion as the entire basis for Christianity is a "relationship with God based on trust and faith." Usually in the context of through Jesus. Why would that same person turn around and say "but we may not be right?" Christianity suggests that Jesus himself claims to be the only way that we can be right with God, use John 14:6. "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." (King James Version.) In that context, under Christianity, Jesus actually claims that he is the one in whom you must trust and who teaches the one true faith. A relationship with God through Jesus. There is little room in that interpretation for a Christian who holds those words as true to offer that there is no such thing as true religion. And all of this is just one example from one passage in a context.

    It also stands to reason that Islam and Judaism have similar contexts for words they hold true only to suggest their faith is also true. Why would any of them who hold these texts as true offer that their religion is not the true religion?

    Appreciate this argument coming from a non-believer, and agnostic but who has studied this.
    I understand,this piece of info made it really clear.I honestly didn't know about it.

    And yeap,I can't speak for Jews but Quran says all non-Muslims will basically burn in hell.Not all Muslims but some Muslims believe it's unfair since it wouldn't be possible for someone who was born into a non-Muslim family to explore Islam.

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    Re: A question for Christians

    There is an argument here:

    https://philippians1v21.wordpress.co...ot-a-religion/

    Since I don't participate' in an organized church, I believe the Bible is a study of Jesus Christ's life and a how-to on having a personal relationship with his Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.
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    Re: A question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by youngturk View Post
    I understand,this piece of info made it really clear.I honestly didn't know about it.

    And yeap,I can't speak for Jews but Quran says all non-Muslims will basically burn in hell.Not all Muslims but some Muslims believe it's unfair since it wouldn't be possible for someone who was born into a non-Muslim family to explore Islam.
    The Koran also says Jesus Christ will return to fight the Anti-christ and Christians will realize Islam is the true religion.

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    Re: A question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by youngturk View Post
    I understand,this piece of info made it really clear.I honestly didn't know about it.

    And yeap,I can't speak for Jews but Quran says all non-Muslims will basically burn in hell.Not all Muslims but some Muslims believe it's unfair since it wouldn't be possible for someone who was born into a non-Muslim family to explore Islam.
    It is all of that at more.

    For Islam, the Quran has hundreds of passages on dealing with non-believers, which goes beyond just the blanket statement on their afterlife consequences. And some of those dealings can be quite violent up to and including reason for warfare. For Judaism, they literally teach that they hold the true religion *but* that Judaism is not for everyone. They do not actively convert, they do not actively missionize, they do not actively seek out Christians and Muslims for the express purpose of bringing them into the Jewish faith. But historically they have had plenty of violent and almost cult like activities in their gifts to God and dealings with others. Think about all of that, for Judaism the literal belief that not everyone needs to be Jewish but that their religion is true. Astounding when thinking about the disposition of Christians and Muslims in almost reverse context, both of those have greater allowance for convert and acceptance (perhaps with condition though.)

    There is one awkward thing to mention, the big three monotheistic religions agree on a couple of things. One, the idea of monotheism in light of polytheism. The agreement that there is only one God even though the lot cannot agree on disposition or even description. Two, the idea of the "Torah" being given to the Jewish people at Mt Sinai. They all mention it in various contexts.

    Now, once all of this ends up in the hands of humanity... well, we have a rich history of displaying how much we disagree on systems of belief.
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    Re: A question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by youngturk View Post
    Thoughts?
    Perhaps the poll could have been presented in a less biased manner.

    Which religion do you subscribe to as being the only true religion?

    1) Christian (protestant)

    2) Christian (catholic)

    3) Christian (non-denominational)

    4) Christian (Mormon)

    5) Christian (Jehovah's Witness)

    6) Judaism (Orthodox)

    7) Judaism (Conservative)

    8) Judaism (Reformist)

    9) Judaism (Reconstructionist)

    10) Muslim (Sunni)

    11) Muslim (Shi`ite)

    12) Muslim (Sufis)

    13) Muslim (Baha’is)

    Etc...

    Etc...

    Etc...

    50) None of the above

    ??????????????????? Just sayin.

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    Re: A question for Christians

    Yes. I believe Christianity is the true religion.


    Any Christian that answers otherwise is ignoring his own theology, as Christianity excludes all non-Christ-centered belief systems as false or at least inadequate.


    Some like to think all paths lead up the same mountain, but that isn't particularly biblical.

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    Re: A question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by youngturk View Post
    some Indian might think Buddhism is the true one.
    You know that Buddhists make up less than 1% of the population of India, don't you? Now, if you'd said Thailand...

    I don't see why it would be impossible for people from any religion to vote for the 3rd option. "It's just my religion" is always an option.
    Then why didn't you put that as an option in the poll?
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    Re: A question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    You know that Buddhists make up less than 1% of the population of India, don't you? Now, if you'd said Thailand...

    Then why didn't you put that as an option in the poll?
    I can't edit the poll :/

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    Re: A question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by youngturk View Post
    I can't edit the poll :/
    No, but why not clarify it by telling us what exactly it is you are hoping to find out? What question in your mind led you to think of making the poll and what findings did you expect to get from it?
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