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    Do you support the H.R.1466 - Surveillance State Repeal Act?

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    https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-.../1466/all-info
    Repeals the USA PATRIOT Act and the FISA Amendments Act of 2008 (thereby restoring or reviving provisions amended or repealed by such Acts as if such Acts had not been enacted), except with respect to reports to Congress regarding court orders under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 (FISA) and the acquisition of intelligence information concerning an entity not substantially composed of U.S. persons that is engaged in the international proliferation of weapons of mass destruction.
    Extends from 7 to 10 years the maximum term of FISA judges. Makes such judges eligible for redesignation.
    Permits FISA courts to appoint special masters to advise on technical issues raised during proceedings.
    Requires orders approving certain electronic surveillance to direct that, upon request of the applicant, any person or entity must furnish all information, facilities, or technical assistance necessary to accomplish such surveillance in a manner to protect its secrecy and produce a minimum of interference with the services that such carrier, landlord, custodian, or other person is providing the target of such surveillance (thereby retaining the ability to conduct surveillance on such targets regardless of the type of communications methods or devices being used by the subject of the surveillance).
    Prohibits acquisitions under FISA relating to a U.S. person, or acquisitions under Executive Order 12333 targeting a U.S. person, without a warrant based on probable cause.
    Requires the Director of National Intelligence and the Department of Justice to destroy any information collected under the repealed Acts, or acquired under Executive Order 12333 without a warrant, if the information concerns a U.S. person that is not related to an investigation that is actively ongoing on the date of enactment of this Act.
    Prohibits the federal government from requiring manufacturers of electronic devices and related software to build in mechanisms allowing the federal government to bypass encryption or privacy technology.
    Directs the Government Accountability Office (GAO) to report annually on the federal government's compliance with FISA.
    Permits an employee of or contractor to an element of the intelligence community with knowledge of FISA-authorized programs and activities to submit a covered complaint to the GAO, to the House or Senate intelligence committees, or in accordance with a process under the National Security Act of 1947 with respect to reports made to the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community. Defines a "covered complaint" as a complaint or information concerning FISA-authorized programs and activities that an employee or contractor reasonably believes is evidence of: (1) a violation of any law, rule, or regulation; or (2) gross mismanagement, a gross waste of funds, an abuse of authority, or a substantial and specific danger to public health or safety. Prohibits an officer or employee of an element of the intelligence community from taking retaliatory action against an employee or contractor who seeks to disclose, or who discloses, such information.
    I support it.Its a step in the right direction
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    Re: Do you support the H.R.1466 - Surveillance State Repeal Act?

    Assuming it really is what it appears to be on the surface, yes I would support it. The Patriot act is one of the most atrocious pieces of legislation we've ever passed, and it's time we get rid of it.

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    Re: Do you support the H.R.1466 - Surveillance State Repeal Act?

    My favorite is when people claim its ok to have the Patriot Act because we at one point had the Sedition and Espionage Act and how President Lincoln suspended the Writ of Hebeas Corpus. Yes, because we have previously violated the peoples rights, we should do it again!!!
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    Re: Do you support the H.R.1466 - Surveillance State Repeal Act?

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    My favorite is when people claim its ok to have the Patriot Act because we at one point had the Sedition and Espionage Act and how President Lincoln suspended the Writ of Hebeas Corpus. Yes, because we have previously violated the peoples rights, we should do it again!!!
    I admit that when the war on terror first started and even some time after I was I used to think like that. I used to think anyone against the war in Iraq and Afghanistan were piece of **** cock sucking dirty filthy code pink hippy scum, that anyone against the patriot act were scumbag terrorist sympathizers, and would have had no problem if every Muslim boarding a plane was cavity searched first. Over time I stopped thinking like that.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Do you support the H.R.1466 - Surveillance State Repeal Act?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Assuming it really is what it appears to be on the surface, yes I would support it. The Patriot act is one of the most atrocious pieces of legislation we've ever passed, and it's time we get rid of it.
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    Re: Do you support the H.R.1466 - Surveillance State Repeal Act?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Assuming it really is what it appears to be on the surface, yes I would support it. The Patriot act is one of the most atrocious pieces of legislation we've ever passed, and it's time we get rid of it.


    But what is in the act that isn't being told about? Or should I say what WILL be in the act if/when it passes and is signed by the POTUS. Riders always seem to get into a piece of legislation before it is actually signed by the POTUS.
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    Re: Do you support the H.R.1466 - Surveillance State Repeal Act?

    Absolutely and unequivicoably "no". I'm emphatically against any legislation that would enact a wholesale repeal of the USA PATRIOT Act as opposed to a piecemail approach. The correct answer for this kind of surgery is a scapel, not a hatchet

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    Re: Do you support the H.R.1466 - Surveillance State Repeal Act?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Absolutely and unequivicoably "no". I'm emphatically against any legislation that would enact a wholesale repeal of the USA PATRIOT Act as opposed to a piecemail approach. The correct answer for this kind of surgery is a scapel, not a hatchet
    Why not scrap the whole thing and start from scratch with the things that do not violate the Constitution?
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Do you support the H.R.1466 - Surveillance State Repeal Act?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Absolutely and unequivicoably "no". I'm emphatically against any legislation that would enact a wholesale repeal of the USA PATRIOT Act as opposed to a piecemail approach. The correct answer for this kind of surgery is a scapel, not a hatchet
    why can't we use a hatchet? what is it about this legislation that needs to be surgically removed as opposed to doing away with it entirely?

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    Re: Do you support the H.R.1466 - Surveillance State Repeal Act?

    Do I support it as written? Yes. Do I think it has a chance in hell of getting passed? No. Do I think the government would pay any attention to it if it was passed? No.
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