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Will you vote for Hillary as our next President? [W:302]

Will you vote for Hillary as our next President


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Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

She got elected largely on the coattails of her corrupt and misogynistic husband.

You mean the guy who presided over 8 years of peace and prosperity? You hyper-partisan hacks never seem to remember that part.

Hey, if Hillary is the best you guys can come up with, then I feel very sorry for you, and America.
I know, maybe she'll turn a budget surplus into a deficit, lie her way into an unnecessary war and then botch it, and leave office in the midst of the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression. Oh wait, that was some other guy, wasn't it?
 
Time will tell, but Obama and the way he has been a "black president" may likely have set back the possibility of a second black president several decades

So following that "logic", since George W Bush was a "white male president," we won't have another for several centuries. Hillary it is!
 
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However, after Herman Cain can an black conservative be blamed for remaining out of the "limelight"

Herman Cain was yet one more insanely and embarrassingly egotistical quack with illusions of grandeur that the GOP dregs up every four years--like Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachman, Alan Keyes, Fred Thompson, Mike Huckabee, and so on.
 
Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

And just who might that be REALISTICALLY in your opinion?
that's just it..there are a couple candidates out there -
Martin O'Malley is great for his metric governing, and as a progressive he's much better then Hillary.

The problem is Hillary is the heir apparent,and sucks out all the oxygen from any alternatives.
It's a reinforcing cycle of self fulfilling pile of garbage nomination process so far.
 
Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

No....she is much worse. At least Palin did not invent stories about dodging sniper fire in Bosnia.

You really want to go there? Even though Palin's only been in the national spotlight less than a decade compared to Clinton's three, Palin has an unmatchable record:

Here she is recently when her teleprompter broke.

Here's her top ten stupidest utterances, although there are plenty more: Dumb Sarah Palin Quotes - Top 10 Stupid Palin Quotes

Even the GOP has admitted that Palin is loco: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=M6phMonavhw
Watch the video. It's hilarious.
 
Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

The only reason any rational person could vote for Hillary Clinton for president given her character and public record is if one took her Benghazi hearing statement as her campaign slogan and agreed, conceding that the nation were already doomed:

Hillary 2016: At This Point, What Difference Does It Make?

Yep. I'm pretty much convinced that there's some rule in this discussion forum against policy discussions. Either that, or these Clinton-haters know that policy discussions are not to their advantage...

Tax cuts for the rich, anyone?
 
Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

I see. Jesus just lacked a decent editor. Like you. Got it.

It's in the scriptures, jpn. You might want to read them sometime.

"For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil." - 1 Timothy 6:10

So you must believe that since we enjoy all that conservative largess, we have no need for Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and Obamacare.

So you deny all the billions of dollars of wasteful spending in those programs? And you deny that you could have had a lot more of a payout with Social Security if you had simply invested that money yourself into the stock market? Please...

Logicman: The primary theme of the Bible is individual responsibility, not entitlement and dependency.

You obviously haven't read The Gospels recently.

It's not just the Gospels, but the Bible as a whole. And you've already been corrected once (above) on the Bible, and now you can stand corrected again:

What Does the Bible Say About Personal Responsibility?
 
Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

You mean the guy who presided over 8 years of peace and prosperity? You hyper-partisan hacks never seem to remember that part.

No, I'm talking about the Perjurer-in-Chief, the accused rapist and misogynist; the one who had to be carried kicking and screaming to a balanced budget by the new Republican House, and the man who was one of the most congenital liars on earth.

I know, maybe she'll turn a budget surplus into a deficit, lie her way into an unnecessary war and then botch it, and leave office in the midst of the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression. Oh wait, that was some other guy, wasn't it?

The greatest economic crisis since the Great Depression was the result of your boys - specifically Slick Willie Clinton and Barney Franks (head of the oversight committee on Freddie and Fanny).

This happened under Clinton. It's a NY Times article from 1999:

"Fannie Mae, the nation's biggest underwriter of home mortgages, has been under increasing pressure from the Clinton Administration to expand mortgage loans among low and moderate income people..."

"In moving, even tentatively, into this new area of lending, Fannie Mae is taking on significantly more risk, which may not pose any difficulties during flush economic times. But the government-subsidized corporation may run into trouble in an economic downturn, prompting a government rescue similar to that of the savings and loan industry in the 1980's."

Fannie Mae Eases Credit To Aid Mortgage Lending - NYTimes.com

That was Slick Willie's program that finally blew up under Bush.

And Democrat Barney Franks was negligent in overseeing it.

"As long as housing prices kept rising, the illusion that all this was good public policy could be sustained. But it didn't take a financial whiz to recognize that a day of reckoning would come. "What does it mean when Boston banks start making many more loans to minorities?" I asked in this space in 1995. "Most likely, that they are knowingly approving risky loans in order to get the feds and the activists off their backs . . . When the coming wave of foreclosures rolls through the inner city, which of today's self-congratulating bankers, politicians, and regulators plans to take the credit?"

(Barney) "Frank doesn't. But his fingerprints are all over this fiasco. Time and time again, Frank insisted that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were in good shape. Five years ago, for example, when the Bush administration proposed much tighter regulation of the two companies, Frank was adamant that "these two entities, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, are not facing any kind of financial crisis."

Frank's fingerprints are all over the financial fiasco - The Boston Globe

And that's why your knee-jerk argument above is nonsense. I could go into more detail on the rest, but I doubt you'll take this to heart.
 
Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

Right now I would not vote for her.

I am still hopeful a strong leader will emerge and lead this country back to greatness. In order to get back to greatness we will need to make major changes in the direction we are headed.

We need an immigration policy that brings people into this country that are law abiding and will put us back in the forefront of science and technology instead of criminals who managed to enter the country illegally.

We need a leader that will work with congress to keep what industry we still have and bring new industry back to this country.

A leader that will work with congress and the states to use our tax money to make jobs more available than welfare.

We need a leader that will end the crazy government gravy train that the people of this country cannot afford. When the country as whole falls on hard times everyone must tighten their belts especially and foremost our government. People struggling to fund their own retirement and pay for health care should not be paying for platinum health care policies and lucrative retirement plans for people already making twice as much as the average taxpayer.
 
You know, most every president we've ever had has turned out to be a scam for one side or the other. A successful president's term can only be based on - what the major issues are and what that president has been able to do to reach a positive outcome and who benefits from it.

Frankly I don't think a President has to accomplish much. All the President has to do to be beloved and successful is to be a competent administrator and a leader--somebody with courage of his/her convictions so that he or she doesn't vacillate trying to accommodate the polls. And somebody who reflects the deepest values of the people and inspires them to be the best they can be. Reagan for instance was no great intellect. And his administration isn't remembered for a lot of accomplishments. He did some things right, got some things wrong, and had a weird side that probably wouldn't be allowed now 35 years later. But he was beloved by most and he inspired us to be better people. He carried 49 of the 50 states in 1984 and almost got Mondale's Minnesota too.

THAT is what I want in a President though. Somebody who won't allow Congress to run amuck and otherwise leads by example and trusts the people to know what is best for the people.
 
Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

Was thinking about that this morning. And you are right, on top of that she was caught and let hubby try to pick up the pieces by saying she was tired and dehydrated.

right, we saw how dehydrated she was

Yep.....we do not need a president who is not smart enough to at least stay hydrated.
 
Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

And the fact that she believes NASA rather than Rush Limbaugh when it comes to global warming is completely irrelevant, right?

The problem with democracy is that voters are so often vacuous tools of the rich and powerful.

I take NASA quite seriously when it comes to rockets and space travel. Not when they branch off into nuttiness such as man-made climate change.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPItNLXT_pw
 
Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

You really want to go there? Even though Palin's only been in the national spotlight less than a decade compared to Clinton's three, Palin has an unmatchable record:

Here she is recently when her teleprompter broke.

Here's her top ten stupidest utterances, although there are plenty more: Dumb Sarah Palin Quotes - Top 10 Stupid Palin Quotes

Even the GOP has admitted that Palin is loco: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=M6phMonavhw
Watch the video. It's hilarious.

Sorry not interested in your videos. Go bait someone else. Palin may not have been the top tier in GOP choices, however she is not looney tunes like Hillary.
 
Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

Yep. I'm pretty much convinced that there's some rule in this discussion forum against policy discussions. Either that, or these Clinton-haters know that policy discussions are not to their advantage...

Tax cuts for the rich, anyone?

I absolutely love tax cuts for the rich. Any money that they spend or invest rather then hiding in tax shelters creates more jobs, taxpayers, etc.
 
Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

I absolutely love tax cuts for the rich. Any money that they spend or invest rather then hiding in tax shelters creates more jobs, taxpayers, etc.

Increasing the minimum wage (for example) has far more impact on the economy than giving tax breaks for the rich. This is because the common folk have to (and want to) spend money, and thus it heavily influences the economy. The rich horde the money, with very little going back into the economy.
 
Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

Increasing the minimum wage (for example) has far more impact on the economy than giving tax breaks for the rich. This is because the common folk have to (and want to) spend money, and thus it heavily influences the economy. The rich horde the money, with very little going back into the economy.

Sadly you do not know what you are talking about. Minimum wage increases usually result in lay offs and less availability of unskilled jobs. You see....the way life works is.....you should not remain in an unskilled minimum wage job until retirement. You should work to improve your skills or learn new skills and improve your value as an employee and advance in life.
 
Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

Minimum wage increases usually result in lay offs and less availability of unskilled jobs.

Or they could choose not pay their CEOs millions of dollars in salary. If you give the rich tax cuts, they will pocket the money and none of it will go back into their business/employees. It will not trickle down. If they can squeeze the common folk and pocket the money, they will. And they do.

You see....the way life works is.....you should not remain in an unskilled minimum wage job until retirement. You should work to improve your skills or learn new skills and improve your value as an employee and advance in life.

That's not the way life works. Come back to reality. People take minimum wage jobs well into adulthood because of life's circumstances. Further, they are forced to take government benefits to supplement their incomes and survive. In other words, it's corporations, not the poor, who are abusing welfare.
 
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Or they could choose not pay their CEOs millions of dollars in salary.

What companies pay their CEOs is not up to you or me.

If you give the rich tax cuts, they will pocket the money and none of it will go back into their business/employees.

You are making it up as you go along based on goofy left wing talking points. Unless you think they are hiding it in the mattress, they are either spending it or putting in the bank....whether it's in savings accounts, CDs. Mutual Funds, whatever, it is available for loans to small business or individuals. If they are investing it in business...in all likelihood it is creating more jobs. Much of it also goes to charity.


It will not trickle down. If they can squeeze the common folk and pocket the money, they will. And they do.

Again, unless it is just hidden in a mattress, it will trickle down. To deny that is just silly.

That's not the way life works. Come back to reality. People take minimum wage jobs well into adulthood because of life's circumstances. Further, they are forced to take government benefits to supplement their incomes and survive. In other words, it's corporations, not the poor, who are abusing welfare.

You are the one who is not accepting reality. Some people do to circumstances do need government assistance. Most do not. Able bodied adults do not need to be babied and coddled by the taxpayers their entire lives. Entry level low or no skilled jobs are not meant to be a livable wage. Most of those jobs are for teenagers or young adults just entering the work force, or older folks supplementing social security. They are not intended to raise a family or purchase a Yacht. If everyone earned close to the same wage, there would be no incentive for people to become engineers, architects, doctors, etc.
 
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Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

What companies pay their CEOs is not up to you or me.

Fine. Just don't pretend that the cost of an increase in minimum wage has to come at the expense of consumers and low wage workers. It could come out of those record profits.

Again, unless it is just hidden in a mattress, it will trickle down. To deny that is just silly.

And yet the rich continue to get richer, even under a Liberal Commie President, and the poor and middle class are stagnant at best. When it is going to trickle down?
 
Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

Fine. Just don't pretend that the cost of an increase in minimum wage has to come at the expense of consumers and low wage workers. It could come out of those record profits.

Perhaps someday, you will get into business yourself and learn about the costs of keeping a business solvent and making a profit. The easiest thing to get out of control and tank a business is payroll. The costs are greater then just what ends up in the employee's paycheck. The standard response when the minimum wage increase is raised is either cutting the payroll, by way of layoffs, less hiring, or significantly raising the price of the product or service they sell.



And yet the rich continue to get richer, even under a Liberal Commie President, and the poor and middle class are stagnant at best. When it is going to trickle down?

The policies you liberals want to use against the rich are actually hurting the middle class and poor. What exactly bothers you about the rich getting rich getting richer? Is it a class envy thang?
 
Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

The standard response when the minimum wage increase is raised is either cutting the payroll, by way of layoffs, less hiring, or significantly raising the price of the product or service they sell.

This appears to be an admission that increasing profits will never go back into the business (specifically, the workers).

The policies you liberals want to use against the rich are actually hurting the middle class and poor. What exactly bothers you about the rich getting rich getting richer? Is it a class envy thang?

You didn't answer my question. When is the money going to trickle down? You said it would. The only thing that has happened since Reagan is that it takes two incomes to support a household, rather than one income prior to Reagan.
 
Frankly I don't think a President has to accomplish much. All the President has to do to be beloved and successful is to be a competent administrator and a leader--somebody with courage of his/her convictions so that he or she doesn't vacillate trying to accommodate the polls. And somebody who reflects the deepest values of the people and inspires them to be the best they can be. Reagan for instance was no great intellect. And his administration isn't remembered for a lot of accomplishments. He did some things right, got some things wrong, and had a weird side that probably wouldn't be allowed now 35 years later. But he was beloved by most and he inspired us to be better people. He carried 49 of the 50 states in 1984 and almost got Mondale's Minnesota too.

THAT is what I want in a President though. Somebody who won't allow Congress to run amuck and otherwise leads by example and trusts the people to know what is best for the people.

Except for Reagan, I can't disagree with you.
 
Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

This appears to be an admission that increasing profits will never go back into the business (specifically, the workers).



You didn't answer my question. When is the money going to trickle down? You said it would. The only thing that has happened since Reagan is that it takes two incomes to support a household, rather than one income prior to Reagan.

I suggest that you take a course in economics.
 
Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

Perhaps someday, you will get into business yourself and learn about the costs of keeping a business solvent and making a profit. The easiest thing to get out of control and tank a business is payroll. The costs are greater then just what ends up in the employee's paycheck. The standard response when the minimum wage increase is raised is either cutting the payroll, by way of layoffs, less hiring, or significantly raising the price of the product or service they sell.


The policies you liberals want to use against the rich are actually hurting the middle class and poor. What exactly bothers you about the rich getting rich getting richer? Is it a class envy thang?


In the start up phase, you can lose the business simply through turn over, the cost of hiring is so large.

And in most businesses today, payroll is the largest single cost and detriment to profit. No other cost, interest rates, supplies, security contributes even half as much

The greater the 'support' or non-productive staff [those not directly involved with the product/service set] the greater the profit decline. In some cases, one lazy worker can make the difference if everyone has jobs next week or not

You can halt Amerikan liberals in their tracks my making them define "rich". Every idol they have will fall well within their definition. They hate easily and blindly
 
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