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Will you vote for Hillary as our next President? [W:302]

Will you vote for Hillary as our next President


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Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

Which refutes your statement suggesting that there is a direct relationship between righteousness, being truthful, having integrity and having religion and its role models as some sort of compass. There isn't[/I
A person can be righteous, truthful and have have moral integrity without being religious or looking to religious role models. Likewise, a person can be a complete moral degenerate while accepting everything taught in the bible. There is simply no relationship between morality and a belief in god that states that one can't exist without the other. Do you have anything else to add?


It doesn't refute anything.

First, believers have the perfect righteousness of Christ, because they have none of their own. That's called 'Positional Justification.' At the Judgment, believers, based on grace through faith in Jesus Christ, will be declared perfectly righteous with all sins forgiven. Unbelievers will have none of that, and they will not enter into heaven.

Second, when believers are indwelt with the Holy Spirit, the process of 'Progressive Sanctification' begins. Progressive sanctification is the indwelling Holy Spirit dealing with our sinful nature and slowly but surely building Christ-like character in the believer. This process is a life-long process that only ends at death. Unbelievers don't have this assistance or Godly wisdom about what is right or wrong, unless they diligently obtain it from the Bible or Judeo-Christian sources. Which brings us to #3.

Third, along with progressive sanctification comes Godly wisdom. Bill Clinton could have used some of it, and he wouldn't have gotten impeached and embarrassed with his serial adulteries and sexual assaults of women. Hillary is a full quart low of Godly wisdom also, or she wouldn't be embracing ungodly positions on abortion, gay marriage, forced redistribution of wealth, and a generally corrupt lifestyle. Her UNRIGHTEOUS behavior and sequent deceitfulness is an affront to our political institutions and decent Americans everywhere. For all intents and purposes they appear as progressive secularists.

So sorry, there are no righteous unbelievers. They can pursue honestly, integrity, and have good character, but those are in the eyes of man, not God.

I recommend the Democrats do something different this time, and go find someone with some moral integrity, and leave Hillary, Obama, Pelosi, and all who think and act like them at home.
 
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It doesn't refute anything.

You're trying too hard. If I can find a single atheist person acting with moral integrity, truthfully and righteously that is proof that you don't in fact need a relationship with any god to act with moral integrity and good character. :shrug:

So sorry, there are no righteous unbelievers.

That is utter nonsense. There are million of people who are atheists and are virtuous/morally right. Hell, there are people who don't even believe in the same religion you do and they act in a morally correct manner. Do you want examples? :shrug:

They can pursue honestly, integrity, and have good character, but those are in the eyes of man, not God.

You're still trying too hard, a person can have good character, integrity etc without a religious role model. What your god thinks about that is irrelevant. :shrug:
 
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You're trying too hard. If I can find a single atheist person acting with moral integrity, truthfully and righteously that is proof that you don't in fact need a relationship with any god to act with moral integrity and good character. :shrug:

That is utter nonsense. There are million of people who are atheists and are virtuous/morally right. Hell, there are people who don't even believe in the same religion you do and they act in a morally correct manner. Do you want examples? :shrug:

You're still trying too hard, a person can have good character, integrity etc without a religious role model. What your god thinks about that is irrelevant. :shrug:

"There are million of people who are atheists and are virtuous/morally right." Really? In whose eyes, yours? Well you don't get to establish what's right and moral, God does. So your conclusions are off base. Sorry to disappoint.
 
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"There are million of people who are atheists and are virtuous/morally right." Really?

Yes, really. :shrug:

In whose eyes, yours? Well you don't get to establish what's right and moral, God does. So your conclusions are off base. Sorry to disappoint.

Lol, you continue to try and squirm out of your words. What your god thinks of a person's morality is inconsequential to the discussion. A person can be moral and righteous without having a religion of any sort. Millions of atheists prove that every single day. :shrug:
 
Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

I think that how someone is aging isn't relevant to a discussion of his or her qualifications to be President.



I don't think so either, but I am not the one who brought it up.
 
Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

It must be idyllic to live in a world where there's no sense of righteousness and no role models for truth and personal integrity; where the best leader one can come up with is a lying, corrupt, and self-aggrandizing has-been.

What conservative are you referring to?
 
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Yes, really.

Lol, you continue to try and squirm out of your words. What your god thinks of a person's morality is inconsequential to the discussion. A person can be moral and righteous without having a religion of any sort. Millions of atheists prove that every single day.

Believe whatever you want, but I have no doubt your 'moral' atheists will all have a whole new understanding of that come Judgment Day.
 
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Believe whatever you want, but I have no doubt your 'moral' atheists will all have a whole new understanding of that come Judgment Day.

Why do you worship a god that would be so cruel and spiteful and toss good people into a lake of fire simply for not believing in him? How could you possibly allow yourself to align your moral compass to a figure that would send atheists to hell for no other reason than being atheist?
 
Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

Believe whatever you want,

This isn't a matter of belief, it's a matter of fact. Millions of atheists prove everyday that you don't need a religion to be moral or righteous. You don't even need the examples in the bible or christianity to do that. As a matter of fact, you can live your entire life unaware of the existence of the abrahamic god and still be moral. :shrug:

but I have no doubt your 'moral' atheists will all have a whole new understanding of that come Judgment Day.

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Is this how you capitulate? Look, your argument is nothing new. It's rehashed nonsense that may sound really impressive to 8 year olds in Sunday school but is pretty lazy to adults. People can be moral without religion. There are people every single day that state without fear that there is no god, and they go about their day like everyone else. They work hard, don't bother anybody and treat everyone with kindness. There are others who refuse to even entertain the possibility that people can be moral without religion. Some of these same folks get caught cheating on their wives, banging male pages, and stealing from their peers.

So what does that tell you? It tells you that people can be moral without religion, and people can be moral with it. Morality is not dictated by whether a person accepts your circular reasoning about personal beliefs. It's dictated by how a person acts. Continuing to deny what should be obvious to any adult just makes you look silly.
 
Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

Why do you worship a god that would be so cruel and spiteful and toss good people into a lake of fire simply for not believing in him? How could you possibly allow yourself to align your moral compass to a figure that would send atheists to hell for no other reason than being atheist?

You need to read Romans chapters 1-4 so you can have a better understanding of what you think you know about that.
 
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You need to read Romans chapters 1-4 so you can have a better understanding of what you think you know about that.

That didn't answer my question. Why do you specifically choose to worship and derive your morals from a god that would kill innocent people for not worshiping him?
 
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This isn't a matter of belief, it's a matter of fact. Millions of atheists prove everyday that you don't need a religion to be moral or righteous. You don't even need the examples in the bible or christianity to do that. As a matter of fact, you can live your entire life unaware of the existence of the abrahamic god and still be moral. :shrug:

Not in God's eyes.

Romans 3:10
 
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That didn't answer my question. Why do you specifically choose to worship and derive your morals from a god that would kill innocent people for not worshiping him?

They're not innocent. All have sinned... - Romans 3:10

Have you folks ever read the Bible? If so why did you miss that one?
 
Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

Not in God's eyes.

Romans 3:10

John 3:7
"Little children, let no one deceive you. Whoever practices righteousness is righteous, as he is righteous."

Ezekiel 18:5-9
“If a man is righteous and does what is just and right— if he does not eat upon the mountains or lift up his eyes to the idols of the house of Israel, does not defile his neighbor's wife or approach a woman in her time of menstrual impurity, does not oppress anyone, but restores to the debtor his pledge, commits no robbery, gives his bread to the hungry and covers the naked with a garment, does not lend at interest or take any profit, withholds his hand from injustice, executes true justice between man and man, walks in my statutes, and keeps my rules by acting faithfully—he is righteous; he shall surely live, declares the Lord God."

Proverbs 29:7
"A righteous man knows the rights of the poor; a wicked man does not understand such knowledge."

Etc., etc., etc.
 
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They're not innocent. All have sinned... - Romans 3:10

Have you folks ever read the Bible? If so why did you miss that one?

So lets create this hypothetical person, this person is the nicest person in the world and did literally nothing wrong, except the only "sin" she has ever committed is that she doesn't worship your god. Do you think on that merit alone this person should go to hell. Or lets go with someone more real, the atheist firefighters who save people lives from burning buildings every day. The atheist police officers who protect and serve without ever once praying to god to protect them. The atheist men and women in the armed forces (like myself in due time) who fight for your freedom to worship any god you want do you think they too should go to hell for simply not believing in your god? Answer this very simple question please. Don't quote a bible scripture and do not sing a hymn. Use your own thought process and tell me why you choose to worship and derive your morals from a god that would send all these good people to hell?
 
Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

John 3:7
"Little children, let no one deceive you. Whoever practices righteousness is righteous, as he is righteous."

Ezekiel 18:5-9
“If a man is righteous and does what is just and right— if he does not eat upon the mountains or lift up his eyes to the idols of the house of Israel, does not defile his neighbor's wife or approach a woman in her time of menstrual impurity, does not oppress anyone, but restores to the debtor his pledge, commits no robbery, gives his bread to the hungry and covers the naked with a garment, does not lend at interest or take any profit, withholds his hand from injustice, executes true justice between man and man, walks in my statutes, and keeps my rules by acting faithfully—he is righteous; he shall surely live, declares the Lord God."

Proverbs 29:7
"A righteous man knows the rights of the poor; a wicked man does not understand such knowledge."

Etc., etc., etc.

Like the Bible says, "All have sinned..." - Romans 3:10
 
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So lets create this hypothetical person, this person is the nicest person in the world and did literally nothing wrong, except the only "sin" she has ever committed is that she doesn't worship your god. Do you think on that merit alone this person should go to hell. Or lets go with someone more real, the atheist firefighters who save people lives from burning buildings every day. The atheist police officers who protect and serve without ever once praying to god to protect them. The atheist men and women in the armed forces (like myself in due time) who fight for your freedom to worship any god you want do you think they too should go to hell for simply not believing in your god? Answer this very simple question please. Don't quote a bible scripture and do not sing a hymn. Use your own thought process and tell me why you choose to worship and derive your morals from a god that would send all these good people to hell?

You folks want to get into this more then I recommend you start a thread on it. This thread is about Hillary, who is an incompetent and corrupt, scandal-ridden liar.
 
Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

Like the Bible says, "All have sinned..." - Romans 3:10

Yes, it also says:

"Judge not, that you be not judged." - Matthew 7:1

“Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone...” - John 8:7

I can cherrypick the Bible as easily as you.
 
Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

For myriad reasons, under no condition would I vote for Hillary.
 
Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

Of course I will vote for Hillary.

Why?

Because:
1. She will take global warming seriously. Her opponent won't.
2. She will protect and perhaps strengthen Social Security and Medicare and Medicaid. Her opponent will try to weaken or destroy one or all of them.
3. She will protect the Dodd-Frank Act, which supplies at least a few restrictions on the Wall Street assholes who blew up the economy in 2008.
4. She will not cut taxes on the rich while cutting aid to the poor, which her opponent would try to do.

I don't love Hillary. I have many disagreements with her public policy stands. But compared to whoever the GOP will run against her, she's light years ahead of them.

Totally easy decision.

So, in other words.

1. She will do nothing regarding "global warming". But she will talk alot about it which makes me feel good

2. She will continue on the path of deficit spending on an unsustainable path, let the next 2 presidents tackle this issue

3. She will enable the irresponsible borrowers and continue the status quo of the age of irresponsibility

4. She will not do what no president has done ever. What a leader.
 
Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

Until I know who's running and what their actual positions are I have no idea who I'm voting for.

But you'll never know that until it's too late. You'll only know their stated positions before hand, and by now, everyone should know the difference.
 
Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

Not in God's eyes

What your god believes is irrelevant to whether a person is being moral or not. :shrug:
 
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