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    Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    We've been over this. Voter ID is a push to solve a non-existent problem, and the people who would be marginalized are those who cannot afford or otherwise lack access to the ID deemed "proper" by the people passing the laws. Solve THOSE problems, and maybe we'll entertain mandatory voter ID.
    They cannot afford a drivers license or state ID card????????

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    Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

    Quote Originally Posted by EdwinWillers View Post
    Ok, regale us then with all the options Democrats have put forth to solve the "it costs too much" argument such that they can be for voter ID laws.
    Excellent call!


    You are right, the Amerikan liberal has only ever cried crocodile tears on this and never has proposed a solution, the best they have come up with is Obama's "amnesty" where he wants to create an elite of illegals while allowing 500,000 illegals to continue to flow across the border each year. I believe they are addicted to the cheap labor and votes it gets them
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    Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    We've been over this. Voter ID is a push to solve a non-existent problem, and the people who would be marginalized are those who cannot afford or otherwise lack access to the ID deemed "proper" by the people passing the laws. Solve THOSE problems, and maybe we'll entertain mandatory voter ID.
    Seems to me the Amerikan liberal camp says that about every problem.

    Benghazi was a non existent problem and now there is an ISIS stronghold Iraq was a non existent problem and now there is war. Hillary's lying and cheating have been a non existent problem and now she's under investigation. Health care premiums were a non existent problem and then people really did lose their plans.

    So, anymore, when I hear a cool aid swilling liberal say it is a "non-existent" problem, I figure it's reached crisis stage
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    Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    They cannot afford a drivers license or state ID card????????
    Some cannot. Why do you continue to deny this.

    Any mandatory voter ID should be free. Charging money for a document that is a requirement to vote constitutes a poll tax, which is unconstitutional.
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    Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Seems to me the Amerikan liberal camp says that about every problem.

    Benghazi was a non existent problem and now there is an ISIS stronghold Iraq was a non existent problem and now there is war. Hillary's lying and cheating have been a non existent problem and now she's under investigation. Health care premiums were a non existent problem and then people really did lose their plans.

    So, anymore, when I hear a cool aid swilling liberal say it is a "non-existent" problem, I figure it's reached crisis stage
    Oh, cram it.
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    Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Some cannot. Why do you continue to deny this.
    Because it is an outright bald faced lie invented by the democrat party. Short of a hermit living in a cave or a homeless person living in a cardboard box, there is no American citizen that cannot afford the cost of obtaining a drivers license or state ID Card and renewing it every two to seven years. And once again, the vast majority of minorities and elderly already have such an ID. You are selling them short.

    Any mandatory voter ID should be free. Charging money for a document that is a requirement to vote constitutes a poll tax, which is unconstitutional.
    It's also mandatory to have a drivers license to drive a car......and we are charged for driver's licenses. And most banks will not cash checks without a valid Photo ID. I'll say it again, Kobie. Unless they live the existence of a complete hermit, they already have either a driver's license, or a state ID card. It's a phony issue. Shame on the democrat party!

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    Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    Because it is an outright bald faced lie invented by the democrat party. Short of a hermit living in a cave or a homeless person living in a cardboard box, there is no American citizen that cannot afford the cost of obtaining a drivers license or state ID Card and renewing it every two to seven years. And once again, the vast majority of minorities and elderly already have such an ID. You are selling them short.
    I never once said the vast majority of anybody didn't have an ID. Strawman number one.

    Number two, if cost and access is no impediment, then why is this?

    Studies show that as many as 11 percent of eligible voters do not have government-issued photo ID. That percentage is even higher for seniors, people of color, people with disabilities, low-income voters, and students. Many citizens find it hard to get government photo IDs, because the underlying documentation like birth certificates (the ID one needs to get ID) is often difficult or expensive to come by. At the same time, voter ID policies are far more costly to implement than many assume. Instead, Improvements in voting technology and modernization of our voter registration system will both increase efficiency and close the door on mistakes and fraud.
    https://www.brennancenter.org/analysis/voter-id

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    It's also mandatory to have a drivers license to drive a car......and we are charged for driver's licenses. And most banks will not cash checks without a valid Photo ID. I'll say it again, Kobie. Unless they live the existence of a complete hermit, they already have either a driver's license, or a state ID card. It's a phony issue. Shame on the democrat party!
    Driving cars and cashing checks are not constitutional rights. Voting is.
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    Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Driving cars and cashing checks are not constitutional rights. Voting is.
    Precisely.

    Thus, any ID requirement must also provide simple, easy, and free access to said ID's for anyone wanting to vote.
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    Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post

    Number two, if cost and access is no impediment, then why is this?

    https://www.brennancenter.org/analysis/voter-id
    The Brennan Center is totally against anyone needing an ID to vote. Their stats are dead wrong.

    "Studies show that as many as 11 percent of eligible voters do not have government-issued photo ID. That percentage is even higher for seniors, people of color, people with disabilities, low-income voters, and students. Many citizens find it hard to get government photo IDs, because the underlying documentation like birth certificates (the ID one needs to get ID) is often difficult or expensive to come by. At the same time, voter ID policies are far more costly to implement than many assume. Instead, Improvements in voting technology and modernization of our voter registration system will both increase efficiency and close the door on mistakes and fraud."

    One out of 11 people of voting age do not have an ID. And it's higher for seniors, people of color, people with disabilities, low-income voters and students. That would mean that up to 15 % of the voting age people are totally off the grid of being a US Citizen.

    Because they cannot:

    Get a Job
    Your employers will need you to show proof of identity before you start working.
    Cash a Check
    You need a photo ID to cash a personal or payroll check.
    Open a Bank Account
    Most banks ask for your Social Security number and a government-issued ID.
    Get an Apartment
    A photo ID is required to sign a lease.
    Apply for College
    Colleges ask for Social Security numbers, and may ask for photo ID.
    Travel on an Airplane
    Adult passengers have to show government-issued ID to board a flight.
    Receive Public Benefits such as Health Insurance
    To be eligible for some public benefits you need to prove your identity, age and residence.
    Enter Government Buildings for Meetings and Appointments
    You need photo ID to enter some government facilities.
    Get a Library Card
    You need to prove your identity and your residence to get a library card.
    Get Discounts at Museums and Theme Parks
    If you can prove that you’re under a certain age, you can get deals on museum and theme park admissions.
    Gym Membership
    Some gyms require official photo ID to sign up to be a membership

    ID= - Why Do I Need an ID?

    Now I ask you of these people that are completely off the grid as a citizen of the US, VOTE? They don't have a job, they can't fly, they can't cash a check or open a bank account, etc etc etc yet they WANT TO VOTE.

    This is all liberal nonsense.
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    Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    The Brennan Center is totally against anyone needing an ID to vote. Their stats are dead wrong.

    "Studies show that as many as 11 percent of eligible voters do not have government-issued photo ID. That percentage is even higher for seniors, people of color, people with disabilities, low-income voters, and students. Many citizens find it hard to get government photo IDs, because the underlying documentation like birth certificates (the ID one needs to get ID) is often difficult or expensive to come by. At the same time, voter ID policies are far more costly to implement than many assume. Instead, Improvements in voting technology and modernization of our voter registration system will both increase efficiency and close the door on mistakes and fraud."

    One out of 11 people of voting age do not have an ID. And it's higher for seniors, people of color, people with disabilities, low-income voters and students. That would mean that up to 15 % of the voting age people are totally off the grid of being a US Citizen.

    Because they cannot:

    Get a Job
    Your employers will need you to show proof of identity before you start working.
    Cash a Check
    You need a photo ID to cash a personal or payroll check.
    Open a Bank Account
    Most banks ask for your Social Security number and a government-issued ID.
    Get an Apartment
    A photo ID is required to sign a lease.
    Apply for College
    Colleges ask for Social Security numbers, and may ask for photo ID.
    Travel on an Airplane
    Adult passengers have to show government-issued ID to board a flight.
    Receive Public Benefits such as Health Insurance
    To be eligible for some public benefits you need to prove your identity, age and residence.
    Enter Government Buildings for Meetings and Appointments
    You need photo ID to enter some government facilities.
    Get a Library Card
    You need to prove your identity and your residence to get a library card.
    Get Discounts at Museums and Theme Parks
    If you can prove that you’re under a certain age, you can get deals on museum and theme park admissions.
    Gym Membership
    Some gyms require official photo ID to sign up to be a membership

    ID= - Why Do I Need an ID?

    Now I ask you off these people that are completely off the grid as a citizen of the US, VOTE? They don't have a job, they can't fly, they can't cash a check or open a bank account, etc etc etc yet they WANT TO VOTE.

    This is all liberal nonsense.
    Do you have any actual evidence that their stats are "dead wrong"?
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