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    Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Good morning, EdwinWillers.

    I have never understood the thinking that ID's should not be necessary for voting! How has everything become so perverted and one-sided in this country lately? I do understand all too well why some argue that point, however, but everyone knows why they're doing it! :
    Ahyup - it's rather ironic how the "most transparent administration" in US history is anything but - particularly when it comes to their true motives.
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    Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    ^ precisely this
    Precise nonsense. Those same poor and elderly already have valid ID. You see, they need it to get drivers licenses...open a bank account.....sign up for Social Security....Medicare...Medicaid....Food Stamps, home loans, etc. The need for valid ID has been around for decades. It did not just suddenly pop up in regards to proving who you are when you go to the polls and vote.

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    Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    You think PJ Media just came up with this?
    The accusation, or the article? The article is 2 days old.

    Frankly I don't think PJ Media "came up" with the former either, as in being the originator of the accusation. I'll agree the general accusation (pertaining to motive/goal/intent) has been around for some time - but this article is about a specific situation - to wit:
    Sources at the Department of Homeland Security report to PJ Media that the United States Citizenship and Immigration Services is reallocating significant resources to sending letters to all 9,000,000 green card holders urging them to naturalize prior to the 2016 election.
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    Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post

    His isolationism for one...his incredibly insane rhetoric on foreign policy for another.
    So, you think that not meddling in the affairs and conflicts of the middle east and focusing only on national defense rather than a contrived offense program translates into isolationism? What's the insane rhetoric? He advocates peaceful world trade, building strong ties universally and defending our borders. To simply refrain from being the world agitator and creating war out of phony pretense (again and again and again) is not isolationism (and certainly not insane).



    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    I think nation building is a very exaggerated term. It's not what we are doing. When we defeated Germany and Japan in WW2 for instance, we did not build a new government for them, we merely made certain that the evil bastards who were running those governments did not reconstitute. In Germany's case, that would be the Nazis. Those nations formed their own new governments.
    Of course they're not nation building. I was being facetious using that term because that's the guise they go under when they invade countries under false pretense. They "liberated" Iraq. They "liberated" the Libyans.
    Libya is a prime example that american and european news is not just censored, but designed and fabricated to deceive us into supporting the atrocities that are being committed.

    There were no homeless in Libya because their "insane dictator" built homes for his people because in Libya, housing is a right of the people. Under this insane dictator, energy was free to Libyans - there was no power bill every month. Education was free (including college). Medical was free. If you wanted to study abroad or needed a medical treatment that wasn't available there, the Libyan government paid for it. Loans were at 0% interest by law. If you wanted to be a farmer you were given a plot of land, farming equipment, seeds, and whatever you needed. If you bought a car, the Libyan government covered 50% of the cost.

    You can really see that these people needed to be liberated from this insane dictatorship. If you were wondering how the Libyan government could manage such exorbitant support of it's people, it's because Libya has one of the largest oil reserves and it was a nation truly for the people and shared its wealth among the people. Also, they didn't have a Rothschild central bank. They issued their own debt-free money. After Gaddafi was brutally lynched and the Libyan people were "liberated", the first thing that happened was a Rothschild central bank was installed.

    It is now known that when they said Gaddafi was "bombing his own people", the russians, who were monitoring from space, said the evidence shows that NO SUCH THING HAS OCCURED. Does this give you an idea of the level of deception being perpetrated by the establishment using the media as their most important and successful tool?
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    The reality is that while we do need to be spending a lot less money on foreign aid, some of it is absolutely necessary unless we want to cut ourselves off from the rest of the world. Some of our important allies would not survive without it.
    We have bigger problems than to worry about giving money that we don't have to other countries. If we are "cutoff" by a country because we didn't have any free money for them, there's no loss there anyway.

    The problem we have in america is such that it has become a world problem. It's a problem that has gone rogue (if you know what I mean). It involves much more than just having a new president. Lobbyists for special interest groups who buy favors from our representatives in congress are our biggest enemies, hence, we have congress "sleeping with the enemy". The other major problem are the people themselves, who, like you said, are way too content being distracted. It's an ignorance they will regret woefully, but won't have to until they are physically unable to be distracted anymore when problems are manifest in and around the space they occupy. In other words, when it's too late.
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    Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

    I dunno, I think our endeavors in Japan certainly counted as "nation building."
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    Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

    Quote Originally Posted by EdwinWillers View Post
    No voter ID law makes acquiring an ID difficult, let alone impossible to obtain. Any supposed "difficulties" in acquiring an ID are a function of something altogether unrelated to laws requiring people HAVE proper proof of who they are.

    Indeed, acquiring an ID is no more difficult for people than the act of voting itself.

    Regardless, conflating the two issues does nothing to address either one. Moreover, IF someone is in a situation where it MAY be difficult to obtain an ID, there are a myriad of simple solutions to address that issue.
    Perhaps it would have been more accurate to say that "voter ID laws sometimes (often?) require ID's that are difficult or impossible for poor and/or elderly persons to get".

    Perhaps because the locations you must travel to are far/costly, or that the information required to verify info is complicated.
    In worst case scenarios, you actually have to pay money for ID's. I know I have to pay the state money each time I renew my DL.

    There are people out there who barely have enough money for basic necessities, let alone time and money to travel to the nearest ID center.

    And that doesn't even count homeless persons.
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    Re: Will you vote for Hillary as our next President? [W:302]

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    What say you?
    I suspect the results of the poll thus far is indicative of the ideological spread of DPers. I've thought for some time now that most were conservative or libertarian.
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    Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Perhaps it would have been more accurate to say that "voter ID laws sometimes (often?) require ID's that are difficult or impossible for poor and/or elderly persons to get".
    Well, again, then the issue isn't the voter ID law, is it? The issue is whatever the difficulty may be, for whomever, or however few people there be that are having [whatever] difficulties obtaining an ID.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Perhaps because the locations you must travel to are far/costly, or that the information required to verify info is complicated.
    This makes it sound like one has to travel across the country in a stretch limo to get an ID card.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    In worst case scenarios, you actually have to pay money for ID's. I know I have to pay the state money each time I renew my DL.
    Well, we make accommodations for far, far greater financial difficulties in every other aspect of life, why not for something as simple as an ID? I mean goodness - what's a new ID cost anyway? $10? $15? $20? And what the heck does metro bus fare cost? $1.50? $2.50? And how often does one need to renew a license? Every other year? 5 years? I'm up to 10 years before I have to renew now.

    Do you realize, particularly in context, just how ridiculous that ["it's too costly"] argument sounds?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    There are people out there who barely have enough money for basic necessities, let alone time and money to travel to the nearest ID center.
    I find it very interesting that those who clamor so hard and loud for government largesse in virtually every other area of the lives of the lower end of the economic scale - be it homes, cars/transportation, clothing, cell phones, taxes, food, healthcare... you name it - that those same people can't see a way... nay REFUSE TO EVEN CONSIDER ALTERNATIVES to something which, economically speaking, is but a mere fraction of the cost virtually every other accommodation they've fought for.

    Frankly, that alone casts a very dark shadow on the true motive behind the refusal to require voters to show a valid ID to vote.
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    Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

    Quote Originally Posted by EdwinWillers View Post
    Well, again, then the issue isn't the voter ID law, is it? The issue is whatever the difficulty may be, for whomever, or however few people there be that are having [whatever] difficulties obtaining an ID.

    This makes it sound like one has to travel across the country in a stretch limo to get an ID card.

    Well, we make accommodations for far, far greater financial difficulties in every other aspect of life, why not for something as simple as an ID? I mean goodness - what's a new ID cost anyway? $10? $15? $20? And what the heck does metro bus fare cost? $1.50? $2.50? And how often does one need to renew a license? Every other year? 5 years? I'm up to 10 years before I have to renew now.

    Do you realize, particularly in context, just how ridiculous that ["it's too costly"] argument sounds?

    I find it very interesting that those who clamor so hard and loud for government largesse in virtually every other area of the lives of the lower end of the economic scale - be it homes, cars/transportation, clothing, cell phones, taxes, food, healthcare... you name it - that those same people can't see a way... nay REFUSE TO EVEN CONSIDER ALTERNATIVES to something which, economically speaking, is but a mere fraction of the cost virtually every other accommodation they've fought for.

    Frankly, that alone casts a very dark shadow on the true motive behind the refusal to require voters to show a valid ID to vote.
    "Refuse to consider alternatives"? That's simply incorrect.
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    Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    "Refuse to consider alternatives"? That's simply incorrect.
    Ok, regale us then with all the options Democrats have put forth to solve the "it costs too much" argument such that they can be for voter ID laws.
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