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    Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    The actual evidence that this occurs on any statistically significant level is sparse to non-existent. The great right-wing bogeyman. Also, the notion that arguing against voter ID is arguing for illegals to vote is patently false.

    I'm actually FOR voter ID, but only if certain conditions regarding access to that ID are met -- conditions that are very often (but not always) conspicuously lacking in proposed laws.

    However, that has little to do with the subject of the thread.
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    "Empirical voting patterns among immigrants from minority communities demonstrate that these new voters will overwhelmingly vote for Democrat candidates. If the empirical rates of support for Democrats continued among these newly naturalized minority voters, Democrats could enjoy an electoral net benefit of millions of new voters in the 2016 presidential election."
    ...to vote for whomever the Democrat candidate may be - Hillary or otherwise.
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    Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

    Quote Originally Posted by EdwinWillers View Post
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    ...to vote for whomever the Democrat candidate may be - Hillary or otherwise.
    Pajamas Media. Right-wing mouthpiece.

    This canard has been flying around for years.
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    Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Wrong again. It is unquestionably true.
    As I understand it, voter ID laws "disenfranchise" people by making it difficult or impossible to acquire the necessary ID.

    Especially for poor and/or elderly persons.

    It is because of this that IMO, any voter ID law must provide EXTENSIVE help for people unable to easily acquire said ID.

    And by that I mean driving to their homes to get them ID'd, if necessary.


    Ideally, it would require several years of public announcements and free ID creation AT polling places and otherwise, before any kind of requirement to vote would be reasonable.


    Even then people would miss out, say when they moved to the state or lost their ID.
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    Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

    Quote Originally Posted by EdwinWillers View Post
    To disenfranchise, or to disfranchise, is to DEPRIVE people of something - in this case the right to vote.

    Voter ID laws - laws requiring registered voters to prove their identity before they cast their ballot disfranchise no one - DEPRIVE no one - save those who are not eligible to vote - which eligibility has nothing to do with voter ID laws in the first place, and ergo have nothing to do with this so-called disenfranchisement either.

    Those who argue against requiring registered voters to prove their identity before they vote are, fundamentally, arguing to give the right to vote to anyone, citizen or not.
    Exactly. Anyone who is against Voter ID is simply pro-voter fraud.

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    Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    This canard has been flying around for years.
    Well, to be precise, for days - 2 days actually ...since April 23, 2015 - 6:19 PM
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    Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    As I understand it, voter ID laws "disenfranchise" people by making it difficult or impossible to acquire the necessary ID.

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    No voter ID law makes acquiring an ID difficult, let alone impossible to obtain. Any supposed "difficulties" in acquiring an ID are a function of something altogether unrelated to laws requiring people HAVE proper proof of who they are.

    Indeed, acquiring an ID is no more difficult for people than the act of voting itself.

    Regardless, conflating the two issues does nothing to address either one. Moreover, IF someone is in a situation where it MAY be difficult to obtain an ID, there are a myriad of simple solutions to address that issue.
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    Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    As I understand it, voter ID laws "disenfranchise" people by making it difficult or impossible to acquire the necessary ID.

    Especially for poor and/or elderly persons.

    It is because of this that IMO, any voter ID law must provide EXTENSIVE help for people unable to easily acquire said ID.

    And by that I mean driving to their homes to get them ID'd, if necessary.


    Ideally, it would require several years of public announcements and free ID creation AT polling places and otherwise, before any kind of requirement to vote would be reasonable.


    Even then people would miss out, say when they moved to the state or lost their ID.
    ^ precisely this
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    Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

    Quote Originally Posted by EdwinWillers View Post
    Well, to be precise, for days - 2 days actually ...since April 23, 2015 - 6:19 PM
    You think PJ Media just came up with this?
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    Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    The actual evidence that this occurs on any statistically significant level is sparse to non-existent. The great right-wing bogeyman. Also, the notion that arguing against voter ID is arguing for illegals to vote is patently false.
    Is that why the liberals were screaming like banshees over the Diebold voting machines during both the 2000 and 2004 elections?

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    Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    Is that why the liberals were screaming like banshees over the Diebold voting machines during both the 2000 and 2004 elections?
    What does one have to do with the other? Stay on topic, please.
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