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    Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    Increasing the minimum wage (for example) has far more impact on the economy than giving tax breaks for the rich. This is because the common folk have to (and want to) spend money, and thus it heavily influences the economy. The rich horde the money, with very little going back into the economy.
    Sadly you do not know what you are talking about. Minimum wage increases usually result in lay offs and less availability of unskilled jobs. You see....the way life works is.....you should not remain in an unskilled minimum wage job until retirement. You should work to improve your skills or learn new skills and improve your value as an employee and advance in life.

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    Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    Minimum wage increases usually result in lay offs and less availability of unskilled jobs.
    Or they could choose not pay their CEOs millions of dollars in salary. If you give the rich tax cuts, they will pocket the money and none of it will go back into their business/employees. It will not trickle down. If they can squeeze the common folk and pocket the money, they will. And they do.

    You see....the way life works is.....you should not remain in an unskilled minimum wage job until retirement. You should work to improve your skills or learn new skills and improve your value as an employee and advance in life.
    That's not the way life works. Come back to reality. People take minimum wage jobs well into adulthood because of life's circumstances. Further, they are forced to take government benefits to supplement their incomes and survive. In other words, it's corporations, not the poor, who are abusing welfare.

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    Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    Or they could choose not pay their CEOs millions of dollars in salary.
    What companies pay their CEOs is not up to you or me.

    If you give the rich tax cuts, they will pocket the money and none of it will go back into their business/employees.
    You are making it up as you go along based on goofy left wing talking points. Unless you think they are hiding it in the mattress, they are either spending it or putting in the bank....whether it's in savings accounts, CDs. Mutual Funds, whatever, it is available for loans to small business or individuals. If they are investing it in business...in all likelihood it is creating more jobs. Much of it also goes to charity.


    It will not trickle down. If they can squeeze the common folk and pocket the money, they will. And they do.
    Again, unless it is just hidden in a mattress, it will trickle down. To deny that is just silly.

    That's not the way life works. Come back to reality. People take minimum wage jobs well into adulthood because of life's circumstances. Further, they are forced to take government benefits to supplement their incomes and survive. In other words, it's corporations, not the poor, who are abusing welfare.
    You are the one who is not accepting reality. Some people do to circumstances do need government assistance. Most do not. Able bodied adults do not need to be babied and coddled by the taxpayers their entire lives. Entry level low or no skilled jobs are not meant to be a livable wage. Most of those jobs are for teenagers or young adults just entering the work force, or older folks supplementing social security. They are not intended to raise a family or purchase a Yacht. If everyone earned close to the same wage, there would be no incentive for people to become engineers, architects, doctors, etc.
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    Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    What companies pay their CEOs is not up to you or me.
    Fine. Just don't pretend that the cost of an increase in minimum wage has to come at the expense of consumers and low wage workers. It could come out of those record profits.

    Again, unless it is just hidden in a mattress, it will trickle down. To deny that is just silly.
    And yet the rich continue to get richer, even under a Liberal Commie President, and the poor and middle class are stagnant at best. When it is going to trickle down?

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    Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    Fine. Just don't pretend that the cost of an increase in minimum wage has to come at the expense of consumers and low wage workers. It could come out of those record profits.
    Perhaps someday, you will get into business yourself and learn about the costs of keeping a business solvent and making a profit. The easiest thing to get out of control and tank a business is payroll. The costs are greater then just what ends up in the employee's paycheck. The standard response when the minimum wage increase is raised is either cutting the payroll, by way of layoffs, less hiring, or significantly raising the price of the product or service they sell.



    And yet the rich continue to get richer, even under a Liberal Commie President, and the poor and middle class are stagnant at best. When it is going to trickle down?
    The policies you liberals want to use against the rich are actually hurting the middle class and poor. What exactly bothers you about the rich getting rich getting richer? Is it a class envy thang?

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    Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    The standard response when the minimum wage increase is raised is either cutting the payroll, by way of layoffs, less hiring, or significantly raising the price of the product or service they sell.
    This appears to be an admission that increasing profits will never go back into the business (specifically, the workers).

    The policies you liberals want to use against the rich are actually hurting the middle class and poor. What exactly bothers you about the rich getting rich getting richer? Is it a class envy thang?
    You didn't answer my question. When is the money going to trickle down? You said it would. The only thing that has happened since Reagan is that it takes two incomes to support a household, rather than one income prior to Reagan.

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    Re: Will you vote for Hillary as our next President? [W:302]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Frankly I don't think a President has to accomplish much. All the President has to do to be beloved and successful is to be a competent administrator and a leader--somebody with courage of his/her convictions so that he or she doesn't vacillate trying to accommodate the polls. And somebody who reflects the deepest values of the people and inspires them to be the best they can be. Reagan for instance was no great intellect. And his administration isn't remembered for a lot of accomplishments. He did some things right, got some things wrong, and had a weird side that probably wouldn't be allowed now 35 years later. But he was beloved by most and he inspired us to be better people. He carried 49 of the 50 states in 1984 and almost got Mondale's Minnesota too.

    THAT is what I want in a President though. Somebody who won't allow Congress to run amuck and otherwise leads by example and trusts the people to know what is best for the people.
    Except for Reagan, I can't disagree with you.

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    Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    This appears to be an admission that increasing profits will never go back into the business (specifically, the workers).



    You didn't answer my question. When is the money going to trickle down? You said it would. The only thing that has happened since Reagan is that it takes two incomes to support a household, rather than one income prior to Reagan.
    I suggest that you take a course in economics.

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    Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    I suggest that you take a course in economics.

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    Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    Perhaps someday, you will get into business yourself and learn about the costs of keeping a business solvent and making a profit. The easiest thing to get out of control and tank a business is payroll. The costs are greater then just what ends up in the employee's paycheck. The standard response when the minimum wage increase is raised is either cutting the payroll, by way of layoffs, less hiring, or significantly raising the price of the product or service they sell.


    The policies you liberals want to use against the rich are actually hurting the middle class and poor. What exactly bothers you about the rich getting rich getting richer? Is it a class envy thang?

    In the start up phase, you can lose the business simply through turn over, the cost of hiring is so large.

    And in most businesses today, payroll is the largest single cost and detriment to profit. No other cost, interest rates, supplies, security contributes even half as much

    The greater the 'support' or non-productive staff [those not directly involved with the product/service set] the greater the profit decline. In some cases, one lazy worker can make the difference if everyone has jobs next week or not

    You can halt Amerikan liberals in their tracks my making them define "rich". Every idol they have will fall well within their definition. They hate easily and blindly
    "Small people talk about people, average people talk about events, great people talk about ideas" Eleanor Roosevelt

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