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    Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Which refutes your statement suggesting that there is a direct relationship between righteousness, being truthful, having integrity and having religion and its role models as some sort of compass. [I]There isn't[/I
    A person can be righteous, truthful and have have moral integrity without being religious or looking to religious role models. Likewise, a person can be a complete moral degenerate while accepting everything taught in the bible. There is simply no relationship between morality and a belief in god that states that one can't exist without the other. Do you have anything else to add?
    It doesn't refute anything.

    First, believers have the perfect righteousness of Christ, because they have none of their own. That's called 'Positional Justification.' At the Judgment, believers, based on grace through faith in Jesus Christ, will be declared perfectly righteous with all sins forgiven. Unbelievers will have none of that, and they will not enter into heaven.

    Second, when believers are indwelt with the Holy Spirit, the process of 'Progressive Sanctification' begins. Progressive sanctification is the indwelling Holy Spirit dealing with our sinful nature and slowly but surely building Christ-like character in the believer. This process is a life-long process that only ends at death. Unbelievers don't have this assistance or Godly wisdom about what is right or wrong, unless they diligently obtain it from the Bible or Judeo-Christian sources. Which brings us to #3.

    Third, along with progressive sanctification comes Godly wisdom. Bill Clinton could have used some of it, and he wouldn't have gotten impeached and embarrassed with his serial adulteries and sexual assaults of women. Hillary is a full quart low of Godly wisdom also, or she wouldn't be embracing ungodly positions on abortion, gay marriage, forced redistribution of wealth, and a generally corrupt lifestyle. Her UNRIGHTEOUS behavior and sequent deceitfulness is an affront to our political institutions and decent Americans everywhere. For all intents and purposes they appear as progressive secularists.

    So sorry, there are no righteous unbelievers. They can pursue honestly, integrity, and have good character, but those are in the eyes of man, not God.

    I recommend the Democrats do something different this time, and go find someone with some moral integrity, and leave Hillary, Obama, Pelosi, and all who think and act like them at home.
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    Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Logicman View Post
    It doesn't refute anything.
    You're trying too hard. If I can find a single atheist person acting with moral integrity, truthfully and righteously that is proof that you don't in fact need a relationship with any god to act with moral integrity and good character.

    So sorry, there are no righteous unbelievers.
    That is utter nonsense. There are million of people who are atheists and are virtuous/morally right. Hell, there are people who don't even believe in the same religion you do and they act in a morally correct manner. Do you want examples?

    They can pursue honestly, integrity, and have good character, but those are in the eyes of man, not God.
    You're still trying too hard, a person can have good character, integrity etc without a religious role model. What your god thinks about that is irrelevant.
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    Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    You're trying too hard. If I can find a single atheist person acting with moral integrity, truthfully and righteously that is proof that you don't in fact need a relationship with any god to act with moral integrity and good character.

    That is utter nonsense. There are million of people who are atheists and are virtuous/morally right. Hell, there are people who don't even believe in the same religion you do and they act in a morally correct manner. Do you want examples?

    You're still trying too hard, a person can have good character, integrity etc without a religious role model. What your god thinks about that is irrelevant.
    "There are million of people who are atheists and are virtuous/morally right." Really? In whose eyes, yours? Well you don't get to establish what's right and moral, God does. So your conclusions are off base. Sorry to disappoint.
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    Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Logicman View Post
    "There are million of people who are atheists and are virtuous/morally right." Really?
    Yes, really.

    In whose eyes, yours? Well you don't get to establish what's right and moral, God does. So your conclusions are off base. Sorry to disappoint.
    Lol, you continue to try and squirm out of your words. What your god thinks of a person's morality is inconsequential to the discussion. A person can be moral and righteous without having a religion of any sort. Millions of atheists prove that every single day.
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    Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    I think that how someone is aging isn't relevant to a discussion of his or her qualifications to be President.


    I don't think so either, but I am not the one who brought it up.
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    Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Logicman View Post
    It must be idyllic to live in a world where there's no sense of righteousness and no role models for truth and personal integrity; where the best leader one can come up with is a lying, corrupt, and self-aggrandizing has-been.
    What conservative are you referring to?
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    Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    Absolutely. And I can criticize her as I please.


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    Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Yes, really.

    Lol, you continue to try and squirm out of your words. What your god thinks of a person's morality is inconsequential to the discussion. A person can be moral and righteous without having a religion of any sort. Millions of atheists prove that every single day.
    Believe whatever you want, but I have no doubt your 'moral' atheists will all have a whole new understanding of that come Judgment Day.
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    Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

    This is how duplicitous and corrupt Hillary Clinton is. The Clintons always think they're above the law and above oversight.

    She ignored the letter.

    Congress first asked Hillary Clinton about personal email use in 2012, letter shows | Fox News

    And she's the hope of the Democratic Party. Pathetic.
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    Re: Will you vote for Hillary as ourr next President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Logicman View Post
    Believe whatever you want, but I have no doubt your 'moral' atheists will all have a whole new understanding of that come Judgment Day.
    Why do you worship a god that would be so cruel and spiteful and toss good people into a lake of fire simply for not believing in him? How could you possibly allow yourself to align your moral compass to a figure that would send atheists to hell for no other reason than being atheist?
    The risk I took was calculated but man, am I bad at math.

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