View Poll Results: Which one would you refuse to serve ?

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    Re: Heterosexual atheist or homosexual believer ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post

    There is simply one side pushing their agenda, and another side that simply says "Sorry but our beliefs mean we cannot agree with that."
    By the former you mean those who are pushing for the right to discriminate against gays, and by the latter you mean those in opposition, right?

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    Re: Heterosexual atheist or homosexual believer ?

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    3 major religions- you know what they are- The US and Canada has a substantial number of all 3.
    You were singling out Christians.
    There have a number of instances where Muslim taxi drivers refused to carry passenger with alocohol.
    I have no dog in this fight except for fairness.
    .......topic is gays(not alcohol )and how some religious christians react against it .dont get offended .I started it according to what I am seeing in DP ,not in a whole continent
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    Re: Heterosexual atheist or homosexual believer ?

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    That would depend on the environment in which they required service. If you understood the other side you'd know how ridiculous the entire premise to your question is.
    my questions stem from such threads about gays.
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    Re: Heterosexual atheist or homosexual believer ?

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    Homosexual or not, we are all children of God. It is not the person that is being refused service, but the act. Helping someone that openly commits a sin that is describe as an abomination and helping people codify that sin as righteous through a ceremony and institution that was created by God is not what you'd call kosher. If they believe in God or not has nothing to do with it.
    homosexuals are more evil than serial killers ?
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    Re: Heterosexual atheist or homosexual believer ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    homosexuals are more evil than serial killers ?
    https://youtu.be/XZxzJGgox_E

    That has to be the most ignorant retort you could have possibly posted. Seriously. WTF?
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    Re: Heterosexual atheist or homosexual believer ?

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    https://youtu.be/XZxzJGgox_E

    That has to be the most ignorant retort you could have possibly posted. Seriously. WTF?
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    Re: Heterosexual atheist or homosexual believer ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    my questions stem from such threads about gays.
    No, it stems from your complete inability to understand the other side. An inability to make a distinction between discrimination and discretion. Your question comes from putting a higher value on equality of outcome and a lesser value on individual liberty.

    Consider this: Our country was founded on the value of liberty, with equality hinging on conformity with society norms. Persuading others of your position via free expression is the equalizer. This is how liberty is maintained while allowing for differences in a diverse population. When government steps in and compels behavior some liberty is denied, resentment occurs and, societal division is inevitable.

    When Liberty is the focus societal change happens slowly and equality for some comes slowly, but the population as a whole is united with common values that develop and progress over time. When equality of outcome takes the primary focus, change is quick but society breaks down, and the majority feels oppressed by a perceived tyrannical government who decides what the social values should be (as opposed to what they actually are).

    In other words we prefer to use free expression and persuasion to develop social norms, and resent being classified as bigots for valuing liberty as the primary political value.
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    Re: Heterosexual atheist or homosexual believer ?

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    No, it stems from your complete inability to understand the other side. An inability to make a distinction between discrimination and discretion. Your question comes from putting a higher value on equality of outcome and a lesser value on individual liberty.

    Consider this: Our country was founded on the value of liberty, with equality hinging on conformity with society norms. Persuading others of your position via free expression is the equalizer. This is how liberty is maintained while allowing for differences in a diverse population. When government steps in and compels behavior some liberty is denied, resentment occurs and, societal division is inevitable.

    When Liberty is the focus societal change happens slowly and equality for some comes slowly, but the population as a whole is united with common values that develop and progress over time. When equality of outcome takes the primary focus, change is quick but society breaks down, and the majority feels oppressed by a perceived tyrannical government who decides what the social values should be (as opposed to what they actually are).

    In other words we prefer to use free expression and persuasion to develop social norms, and resent being classified as bigots for valuing liberty as the primary political value.
    ok ,just answer please ,hetero athe or homo gay

    and do you know where the liberty ends ?
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    Re: Heterosexual atheist or homosexual believer ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    ok ,just answer please ,hetero athe or homo gay

    and do you know where the liberty ends ?
    I wouldn't refuse basic service to anyone, in my open location as I wouldn't have any way of knowing anything about their personal life. I wouldn't deny anyone their right to free association either.
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    Re: Heterosexual atheist or homosexual believer ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    By the former you mean those who are pushing for the right to discriminate against gays, and by the latter you mean those in opposition, right?
    Discriminate? Discrimination is always a bad thing? Do you discriminate between lawful citizens and criminals? Do you discriminate between drunks and sober people. Do you invite every person to your home or do you discriminate between friend and foe? Do restaurants discriminate against those with no shoes? Do Bars use age discrimination? Do retirement homes discriminate based on age? Do inner city empowerment zones discriminate against those who work in suburbs or rural areas?

    Let's talk about freedom. Is liberty a higher value than equality? Is freedom of association valuable? How about freedom of religion?

    So what you mean is your idea of social justice trumps liberty. I disagree
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