Fenton
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Lol !
Violence explodes after the Arab Spring ....
Should be the Title of your chart
Is it better off after the obama administration removed every soldier from the country? Even though the us has left brigades in every place we have ever been permanently. Germany, japan, korea, kosovo, kuwait. But not iraq. Gotta surrender there
Lol !
Violence explodes after the Arab Spring ....
Should be the Title of your chart
In one word: No.
I honestly don't think it will be fair to judge the success or failure of our most recent interventions in the middle east for at least another generation or so. I think the results will only truly be measured when people who have grown up in the post-9/11 world are in power and making decisions both in the middle east as well as the U.S.
So...open conflicts are always better - even though they almost always result in FAR more casualties?
Okaaaaaay...I certainly hope you never attain military/political power.
It was a good plan. Attack a nation that had nothing to do with 9/11, completely dismantle the existing regime/military, stir up a centuries old religious conflict and gift-wrap the region to Iran.
It had to be done.
Is the Middle East better off since the day before Operation Iraqi Freedom began?
Well the whole ****ing region wasnt destabilized.... We could play the would coulda shoulda game all we want. But one thing is for sure: Al-Qaeda/Radical Jihadis did not have the power to destabilize the whole ****ing region before 2003...
Nah..
Looking at the short term I see this:
Iraq was a threat to everyone when Bush went in, in what I contend was a mistake. It was not a threat to anyone when Obama pulled out the troops.
Now it is a threat to everyone on the planet, as ISIS reaches out with stronghold in Hillary's new regime Libya, Egypt, Somalia, Yemen, and is knocking on the door of the Vatican and the American people are now being treated to a steady diet of beheading, child murder and decapitation which wasn't there before.
So since the invasion approved by Hillary and a majority of democrats, things are much worse, especially after Obama, where they are 1,000 times worse
Who has/had more impact on a global scale? Isis or saddam?
Can you define "impact" and presumably what you think Saddam's was? We do know that Americans were misled to believe three key things. 1. That Saddam Hussein had WMD's that were a threat to the US, with the ability to produce a mushroom cloud over US cities. 2. That Saddam Hussein was affiliated with al Qaeda, and 3. That Saddam Hussein was working with OBL. All three things were false, but all three had to be presented to secure American public support for a Bush policy that predates his presidency. Downing Street confirmed that Bush was "fixing the intelligence to fit his policy". We know that two weeks into Bush's presidency, his first foreign policy meeting was about regime change in Iraq. And we know that the very influential to the Bush administration, PNAC, produced a policy paper for America in the 21st century that mused how another Pearl Harbor would afford the political capital to push through all the policies that neo-cons in visioned.
what does the rest of the middle east have to do with the Iraq war?
No, and we sure could have used that 3 trillion dollars. Hell, for that much money we could have 1000 people living on the moon.
lots. Iraq is in the middle east and the rest of the middle east was greatly affected by the removal of saddam.
How exactly? The Arab spring was a reaction from the people of the middle east against their outdated, oppressive regimes. The removal of Saddam had little if nothing to do with events that happened next. If anything it was the West's inaction in Syria that led us to where we are now not the action taken previously in Iraq. It's also worth pointing out that Saddam himself was a distributive influence in the ME for two decades before the 2nd Iaq war.
Is the Middle East better off since the day before Operation Iraqi Freedom began?
the removal of saddam and the dismantling of his huge army caused a power vacuum in one of the region's most powerful countries. that has effects not just on Iraq but on the rest of the region as well (and really the entire world if you want to go that far). the fact that the government is shia-led as opposed to sunni (which I believe is what saddam was) also has an effect on the surrounding region because it increases and strengthens iran's sphere of influence, among other things.
I'm not some middle east expert obviously (not sure if I mixed up sunni and shia because I'm pretty ignorant in that matter) I just know that any time you remove a powerful dictator from a region, it's going to have effects that stretch across that country's borders. I'm pretty sure entire books have been written about the effects of our invasion on the middle east as a whole but I bet you could google those if you are really truly interested in it.
what does the rest of the middle east have to do with the Iraq war?