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Thread: Is the Middle East better off since the day before Operation Iraqi Freedom began?

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    Re: Is the Middle East better off since the day before Operation Iraqi Freedom began?

    Quote Originally Posted by SenorXm/Sirius View Post
    I think even the neo-con war mongers realize this now. Not all of them, but enough to make sure we don't pull another ****-up like we pulled in Iraq.
    Which is why 47 GOP Senators signed a letter penned by Cotton who openly calls for bombing Iran.

    At least Se. Corker, chair of foreign relations, had the good sense not to.
    Which is why his bill to approve the Iran agreement has as much Democratic support as it does--including mine.

    But then we have Sen. McCain calling SoS out Kerry as delusional--and the President was spot on to call McCain out in Panama .
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    Re: Is the Middle East better off since the day before Operation Iraqi Freedom began?

    I agree with you here--we killed a problem we created .

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    Sadam would likely have continued open conflict. He had already had invaded multiple nations and gased his own people. Imagine the chaos when he died? Plus he was an embodiment of cia/American intervention. Now he is gone and we are going hand off.
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    Re: Is the Middle East better off since the day before Operation Iraqi Freedom began?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sabanist View Post
    Is it better off after the obama administration removed every soldier from the country?
    Did you support Maliki having 'Sharia Law' over our soldiers?
    Instead of 'Mission Accomplished', the Bush legacy is 'Unfinished Business' .
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    Re: Is the Middle East better off since the day before Operation Iraqi Freedom began?

    Once we left, there was a vacuum that no one filled, and ISIS came strolling in

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    Re: Is the Middle East better off since the day before Operation Iraqi Freedom began?

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Since the question is worded in that particular manner, one is left to wonder why Hillary supported it.
    She had to go along with the lying and manipulated intel from Cheney and Co.
    And she knew the GOP would play the 'Patriot' Card against her in future years.

    And her support caused her to lose the 2008 nomination, as you know.
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    Re: Is the Middle East better off since the day before Operation Iraqi Freedom began?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    So since the invasion approved by Hillary and a majority of democrats, things are much worse, especially after Obama, where they are 1,000 times worse
    Ignoring any role by the GOP in charge of the Commander-in-Chief's chair--how unsurprising .
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    Re: Is the Middle East better off since the day before Operation Iraqi Freedom began?

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Ignoring any role by the GOP in charge of the Commander-in-Chief's chair--how unsurprising .
    What in the name of lying liberal are you talking about?

    Please take a remedial reading course FFS

    That isn't even a complete sentence, which I know to an Amerikcan liberal is ****ing genius, but try having a noun or something

    and please try, for once, to stay on topic, which here is Hillary "I dodged sniper fire" Clinton
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    Re: Is the Middle East better off since the day before Operation Iraqi Freedom began?

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Which is why 47 GOP Senators signed a letter penned by Cotton who openly calls for bombing Iran.
    I think a lot of that is because if Obama says the sky is blue the current GOP will sign a letter saying Obama's wrong and they believe it's green. I don't think any one has the stomach for an all out invasion type war anymore. Obviously some do. I think McCain will attack Canada. Bolton is a evil SOB, when he dies and goes to hell he'll give the devil a run for the top dog. But I think most realize all our military might and money means little in the middle east. Democracy just isn't going to work there anytime soon.
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    Re: Is the Middle East better off since the day before Operation Iraqi Freedom began?

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Don't Republicans keep claiming that Democratic Senators like Kerry and Clinton voted for the Iraqi War?
    So you can flush the unified thing where it belongs.

    What should concern you is Rumsfeld's claims about how short the war would be.
    Not to mention how ill-prepared the Bush administration shorted the VA in handling the aftermath of this war .
    Everyone voted on it and supported it...right up until the 2004 election cycle. You REALLY want to claim they were unified? You arent that stupid. You may be that dishonest but you arent that stupid.

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    Re: Is the Middle East better off since the day before Operation Iraqi Freedom began?

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Since you complain about these overpopulated lands and babies galore, how would you deal with this problem you have identified ?
    I don't Have to Have a solution because I identified the Problem.
    (which you kinda agreed with by asking, if not saying so)

    But always glad to indulge, and have in the past, on This very topic.
    I would first tell them THEIR problem Publicly. As blatantly/embarrassingly as possible, the UN, other address, etc.

    I would suggest Birth Control/Family Planning, which obviously wouldn't be popular among Muslims societies of the M-E.
    BUT then everyone would KNOW what the problem is.
    People call (6-baby-per) Gaza an 'open air prison' but they live better than much of the Arab world, much better because of the USA/EU-funded UNRWA safety net (Food, healthcare, prescriptions)
    While people whine about the above, just 200 Miles way Most Cairenes live worse and in slums.

    THAT was why we had 'Arab Spring' and revolution will continue.
    There are no jobs for the hoards of 4-6 baby moms offspring.
    I said in the/my Jan 2011, 'Egyptian Riots' string, NO one can feed Egypt.
    And Intel ain't coming to Libya, Tunisia, or Yemen.

    OK:
    I would stop giving ANY aid, taking ANY refugees, and subsidizing ANY countries fertility, by acting as their steam Valve/Nursery Annex if they do Not Implement family planning.
    This goes for ALL countries whose main export is People. (Pakistan, Mexico, Haiti, etc)

    KEEP IT IN YOUR PANTS if you don't have the room or resources.
    There's no right even within a country, much less without, for someone to subsidize your progeny.

    Some of my previous OPs on this: (if more location specific, they are Universal)

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/middle...st-israel.html (Ending the West's Proxy War Against Israel)
    http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB123171179743471961
    Stop funding a Palestinian youth bulge, and the fighting will stop too..
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    Wall Street Journal Europe/Jan 2009

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/middle...in-kramer.html (Demography & Radicalism; Martin Kramer)
    His view, "Superfluous sons" (4th, 5th, 6th, 55th) is the Biggest catalyst for radicalization/Islamization.
    People with Nothing to do.
    1997-2007 Gaza population grew by 40%. (even while being "Genocided")
    At current rates, the bottom/young group will Double in population by 2030.
    What will 20 million more Yemenis, 28 million more Afghanis, 80 million more Pakistanis do?
    A Tolerable 6 minutes.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaJX...layer_embedded

    Median age:

    Germany... 44
    UK........... 40
    US .......... 37
    Israel ...... 29
    Turkey ..... 28
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    Iraq ......... 19
    Afghanistan 17
    Yemen ...... 17
    Somalia .....17
    Gaza ......... 17
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