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    Re: Is the Middle East better off since the day before Operation Iraqi Freedom began?

    what does the rest of the middle east have to do with the Iraq war?
    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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    Re: Is the Middle East better off since the day before Operation Iraqi Freedom began?

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    what does the rest of the middle east have to do with the Iraq war?
    lots. Iraq is in the middle east and the rest of the middle east was greatly affected by the removal of saddam.

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    Re: Is the Middle East better off since the day before Operation Iraqi Freedom began?

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    No, and we sure could have used that 3 trillion dollars. Hell, for that much money we could have 1000 people living on the moon.
    or we could have spent it on any of a number of domestic programs, such as health care like Europe does. or we could have spent it on research so that we can replace oil and tell Saudi Arabia to police its own region.

    western-style democracy cannot be imposed, especially in the Middle East.

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    Re: Is the Middle East better off since the day before Operation Iraqi Freedom began?

    Quote Originally Posted by bg85 View Post
    lots. Iraq is in the middle east and the rest of the middle east was greatly affected by the removal of saddam.
    How exactly? The Arab spring was a reaction from the people of the middle east against their outdated, oppressive regimes. The removal of Saddam had little if nothing to do with events that happened next. If anything it was the West's inaction in Syria that led us to where we are now not the action taken previously in Iraq. It's also worth pointing out that Saddam himself was a distributive influence in the ME for two decades before the 2nd Iaq war.
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    Re: Is the Middle East better off since the day before Operation Iraqi Freedom began?

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    How exactly? The Arab spring was a reaction from the people of the middle east against their outdated, oppressive regimes. The removal of Saddam had little if nothing to do with events that happened next. If anything it was the West's inaction in Syria that led us to where we are now not the action taken previously in Iraq. It's also worth pointing out that Saddam himself was a distributive influence in the ME for two decades before the 2nd Iaq war.
    the removal of saddam and the dismantling of his huge army caused a power vacuum in one of the region's most powerful countries. that has effects not just on Iraq but on the rest of the region as well (and really the entire world if you want to go that far). the fact that the government is shia-led as opposed to sunni (which I believe is what saddam was) also has an effect on the surrounding region because it increases and strengthens iran's sphere of influence, among other things.

    I'm not some middle east expert obviously (not sure if I mixed up sunni and shia because I'm pretty ignorant in that matter) I just know that any time you remove a powerful dictator from a region, it's going to have effects that stretch across that country's borders. I'm pretty sure entire books have been written about the effects of our invasion on the middle east as a whole but I bet you could google those if you are really truly interested in it.

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    Re: Is the Middle East better off since the day before Operation Iraqi Freedom began?

    They are never going to be better off, regardless of anything that we, or other nations-with-good-but-misguided-intentions, do, until they stop fighting amongst themselves, and figure out how to get along with each other. As far as I am concerned, we should never have gone there at all.
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    Re: Is the Middle East better off since the day before Operation Iraqi Freedom began?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Is the Middle East better off since the day before Operation Iraqi Freedom began?
    It seems your question is misinterpreted, the question is "Is the Middle East better off" from March 2003.

    You using Iraq's day of operation Iraq Freedom is just a reference in time.
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    Re: Is the Middle East better off since the day before Operation Iraqi Freedom began?

    Quote Originally Posted by bg85 View Post
    the removal of saddam and the dismantling of his huge army caused a power vacuum in one of the region's most powerful countries. that has effects not just on Iraq but on the rest of the region as well (and really the entire world if you want to go that far). the fact that the government is shia-led as opposed to sunni (which I believe is what saddam was) also has an effect on the surrounding region because it increases and strengthens iran's sphere of influence, among other things.

    I'm not some middle east expert obviously (not sure if I mixed up sunni and shia because I'm pretty ignorant in that matter) I just know that any time you remove a powerful dictator from a region, it's going to have effects that stretch across that country's borders. I'm pretty sure entire books have been written about the effects of our invasion on the middle east as a whole but I bet you could google those if you are really truly interested in it.
    Dictators come and go in the middle east as demonstrated in the past few years. Name me a country where this "power vacuum" emboldened people to seize power in their own country? Also worth pointing out we (the west) have been propping up/ toppling governments in the middle east since the fall of the Ottoman empire.
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    Re: Is the Middle East better off since the day before Operation Iraqi Freedom began?

    why do people call that war Iraqi freedom???? I thought it was cheney oil
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    Re: Is the Middle East better off since the day before Operation Iraqi Freedom began?

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    what does the rest of the middle east have to do with the Iraq war?
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