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    Karl Marx the Racist. Do most people know?




    "The classes and the races, too weak to master the new conditions of life, must give way.. They must perish in the revolutionary holocaust"
    -Karl Marx.

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    Re: Karl Marx the Racist. Do most people know?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post



    "The classes and the races, too weak to master the new conditions of life, must give way.. They must perish in the revolutionary holocaust"
    -Karl Marx.
    So were some other really great people. And so was Aristotle.

    In other words, just because someone was or is a racist doesn't mean that they aren't right in other areas. Heck, even Hitler was right about some things - like building the Autobahn, the precursor of our freeways.
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    Re: Karl Marx the Racist. Do most people know?

    WOW! We can go to town on this one. Here is the late great Abraham Lincoln

    I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in anyway the social and political equality of the white and black races that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in anyway the social and political equality of the white and black races that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.

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    Re: Karl Marx the Racist. Do most people know?

    I still think we are making a mistake taking something said by whoever from history, and re-qualifying the statement in today's context with today's political and/or social understandings. It sets up an odd standard that many from history will not do well in. Learning from history is one thing, this seems to take that effort off course.
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    Re: Karl Marx the Racist. Do most people know?

    Here's a more recent example from Richard Nixon


    Bill Rogers has got — to his credit it's a decent feeling — but somewhat sort of a blind spot on the black thing because he's been in New York," Nixon said. "He says well, ‘They are coming along, and that after all they are going to strengthen our country in the end because they are strong physically and some of them are smart.' So forth and so on.

    "My own view is I think he's right if you're talking in terms of 500 years," he said. "I think it's wrong if you're talking in terms of 50 years. What has to happen is they have be, frankly, inbred. And, you just, that's the only thing that's going to do it, Rose."
    Dang! It will take 500 years!

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    Re: Karl Marx the Racist. Do most people know?

    Honestly, given the era in which he lived, I would have simply assumed he was probably a racist. Almost everyone was.

    Did I know? No. But no one with any concept of 19th century history should be surprised.

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    Re: Karl Marx the Racist. Do most people know?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post



    "The classes and the races, too weak to master the new conditions of life, must give way.. They must perish in the revolutionary holocaust"
    -Karl Marx.
    Where's the quote before that quote? "Society is undergoing a silent revolution, which must be submitted to, and which takes no more notice of the human existences it breaks down than an earthquake regards the houses it subverts." and the quote after, "But can there be anything more puerile, more short-sighted, than the views of those Economists who believe in all earnest that this woeful transitory state means nothing but adapting society to the acquisitive propensities of capitalists, both landlords and money-lords? In Great Britain the working of that process is most transparent. The application of modern science to production clears the land of its inhabitants, but it concentrates people in manufacturing towns."

    You're quote was cherry picked to lay false claim on Marx. In reality he believed the capitalist used race to divide the working class. Scary how absolutely correct he was on this belief: Marxist theory of Racism and

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    "...it is all the more clear what we have to accomplish at present: I am referring to ruthless criticism of all that exists,"

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    Re: Karl Marx the Racist. Do most people know?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Honestly, given the era in which he lived, I would have simply assumed he was probably a racist. Almost everyone was.

    Did I know? No. But no one with any concept of 19th century history should be surprised.
    That claim isn't even true. It's also not true that Marx was a racist. Yes, I just defended Marx. D:

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    Re: Karl Marx the Racist. Do most people know?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    That claim isn't even true. It's also not true that Marx was a racist. Yes, I just defended Marx. D:
    Guy, in the 19th century most people certainly were racist, if compared to our modern standards. One of the most famous poems of the time was "White Man's Burden". You should read it sometime.
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