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    Re: Karl Marx the Racist. Do most people know?


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    Re: Karl Marx the Racist. Do most people know?

    Strom Thurmond


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    Re: Karl Marx the Racist. Do most people know?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Perhaps the video you link has a point, but the quote that you provide here literally has no relevance to Karl Marx being a racist. Here is the entire quote from the original source.

    https://www.marxists.org/archive/mar...1853/03/04.htm





    In other words, he is not endorsing the elimination of people of certain races here, he is endorsing the idea of eliminating race as a structural barrier between peoples.
    Exactly!

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    Re: Karl Marx the Racist. Do most people know?

    More Strom Thurmond

    "There's not enough troops in the Army to force the Southern people to break down segregation and admit the Nigra race into our theaters, into our swimming pools, into our homes, and into our churches."
    The legend of Strom's Remorse.

    Note that he may have actually said nigger.

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    Re: Karl Marx the Racist. Do most people know?

    Quote Originally Posted by Van Basten View Post



    You don't think racism will be mostly archaic in 200 years, how long do you think it will take?

    @bold: Holds true in some respects.
    i think far in the future we will look primitive to them by their standards of thinking, as many people think today that those who loved in the past were primitive.

    the problem with people thinking is they do not live in the times they wish to judge, and therefore and do not understand why things were as they were.
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    Re: Karl Marx the Racist. Do most people know?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    That claim isn't even true. It's also not true that Marx was a racist. Yes, I just defended Marx. D:
    Marx was wrong in his theories of course--he never allowed for the reality that the totalitarian powers given to government to create the social revolution necessary to usher in Utopia would of course become permanent. There has never been a government in the history of the world, including U.S. government, in which government voluntarily gave up power once it possessed it. And those in government become as addicted to money, power, prestige, and influence and crave more of it as do those among the presumed 'self-governing' people. Which is why Marx was also wrong that the people, once removed from the oppression of the rich and powerful and dictates of governmentl, would co-exist and live and cooperate in prosperity and peace.

    So he didn't grasp the concept that a government, even one such as ours in which the government is supposed to be limited in power, is necessary to a free society just as it is necessary that the people assign the government its powers rather than the other way around.

    But however wrong Marx was, he has been unfairly demonized in various ways that just don't hold up under close scrutiny. That he was racist above and beyond his culture is, IMO, one of those ways that he has been unfairly characterized.

    ". . .Exploitation, in the Marxist sense, can only be ended by the working class overthrowing capitalism. Workers can, however, improve their economic situation by forming unions and other organizations. The more disunity among workers, the weaker their ability to effectively challenge the employer. This insight is central to the Marxist analysis of racism, which focuses on attempts by capitalists to divide black and white workers. If white workers identify primarily as whites, rather than as workers, they will not act in their common class interests with black workers. The way to end racial oppression and class exploitation is an interracial and united working class. . ."
    Marxist theory of Racism and

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    Re: Karl Marx the Racist. Do most people know?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    Goebbels was an admitted Marxist. I know you don't know that because you lack education on these things but try to grasp it mentally from your intellectual superiors. The vast majority of Nazi ideologues were Marxist before they changed to National Socialism.
    You seem nice.
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    Re: Karl Marx the Racist. Do most people know?

    Quote Originally Posted by instagramsci View Post
    brutal regimes are ok if it makes american capitalists richer




    do you really think its this simple

    none of these countries on their own have enough of an industrial base nor the natural resources to bring about socialism
    Venezuela doesn't have " natural resources or industry ??

    Are you friken kidding me ?

    They had plenty of industry and resources before Chavez gave their industries and resources " back to the people ".

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    Re: Karl Marx the Racist. Do most people know?

    This pretty much explains all of socialism/communism in a nutshell:


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    Re: Karl Marx the Racist. Do most people know?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Marx was wrong in his theories of course--he never allowed for the reality that the totalitarian powers given to government to create the social revolution necessary to usher in Utopia would of course become permanent. There has never been a government in the history of the world, including U.S. government, in which government voluntarily gave up power once it possessed it. And those in government become as addicted to money, power, prestige, and influence and crave more of it as do those among the presumed 'self-governing' people. Which is why Marx was also wrong that the people, once removed from the oppression of the rich and powerful and dictates of governmentl, would co-exist and live and cooperate in prosperity and peace.

    So he didn't grasp the concept that a government, even one such as ours in which the government is supposed to be limited in power, is necessary to a free society just as it is necessary that the people assign the government its powers rather than the other way around.

    But however wrong Marx was, he has been unfairly demonized in various ways that just don't hold up under close scrutiny. That he was racist above and beyond his culture is, IMO, one of those ways that he has been unfairly characterized.

    ". . .Exploitation, in the Marxist sense, can only be ended by the working class overthrowing capitalism. Workers can, however, improve their economic situation by forming unions and other organizations. The more disunity among workers, the weaker their ability to effectively challenge the employer. This insight is central to the Marxist analysis of racism, which focuses on attempts by capitalists to divide black and white workers. If white workers identify primarily as whites, rather than as workers, they will not act in their common class interests with black workers. The way to end racial oppression and class exploitation is an interracial and united working class. . ."
    Marxist theory of Racism and

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    You could've saved a whole lot of bandwidth by just stating : Society did not advance pass the dictatorship of the proletariat.
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