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    Re: Karl Marx the Racist. Do most people know?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Yes, we know, you saw a picture on the internets and a YouTube video so you are an expert.


    I know this thread is very hard for you Redress. I know. But you're going to make it I promise. It isn't so bad. Think about it. Your forum friends will still treat you as the resident forum leftist and never question your total lack of even basic ideological soundness in a historical context. It'll be alright I promise. I'm not going to touch your forum leftist social clique throne. Frankly you're out of your depth with people I'd consider ideological simpletons so for me to even grant you a response is really mentally revolting to me in and of itself.

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    Re: Karl Marx the Racist. Do most people know?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    so.... will we be racist in 200 years?
    Probably not.

    Any remnants of such folk will be ostracized.

    At that point, even Asia will have had to grow up.

    Quote Originally Posted by instagramsci View Post
    do you really think its this simple

    none of these countries on their own have enough of an industrial base nor the natural resources to bring about socialism
    You one of those world revolution types?
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    Re: Karl Marx the Racist. Do most people know?

    Quote Originally Posted by Van Basten View Post
    Probably not.

    Any remnants of such folk will be ostracized.

    At that point, even Asia will have had to grow up.


    You one of those world revolution types?
    dont agree ....every generation believes they are smarter and better then the one before them.


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    Re: Karl Marx the Racist. Do most people know?

    Quote Originally Posted by Van Basten View Post
    You one of those world revolution types?
    i dunno. are you one of those "any social spending is socialism" types
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    Re: Karl Marx the Racist. Do most people know?

    Quote Originally Posted by instagramsci View Post
    i dunno. are you one of those "any social spending is socialism" types
    No, so are you gonna answer the question or nah?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    dont agree ....every generation believes they are smarter and better then the one before them.
    You don't think racism will be mostly archaic in 200 years, how long do you think it will take?

    @bold: Holds true in some respects.
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    Re: Karl Marx the Racist. Do most people know?

    Perhaps the video you link has a point, but the quote that you provide here literally has no relevance to Karl Marx being a racist. Here is the entire quote from the original source.

    https://www.marxists.org/archive/mar...1853/03/04.htm

    ow I share neither in the opinions of Ricardo, who regards ‘Net-Revenue’ as the Moloch to whom entire populations must be sacrificed, without even so much as complaint, nor in the opinion of Sismondi, who, in his hypochondriacal philanthropy, would forcibly retain the superannuated methods of agriculture and proscribe science from industry, as Plato expelled poets from his Republic. Society is undergoing a silent revolution, which must be submitted to, and which takes no more notice of the human existences it breaks down than an earthquake regards the houses it subverts. The classes and the races, too weak to master the new conditions of life, must give way. But can there be anything more puerile, more short-sighted, than the views of those Economists who believe in all earnest that this woeful transitory state means nothing but adapting society to the acquisitive propensities of capitalists, both landlords and money-lords? In Great Britain the working of that process is most transparent. The application of modern science to production clears the land of its inhabitants, but it concentrates people in manufacturing towns.
    In other words, he is not endorsing the elimination of people of certain races here, he is endorsing the idea of eliminating race as a structural barrier between peoples.
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    Re: Karl Marx the Racist. Do most people know?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    I know this thread is very hard for you Redress. I know. But you're going to make it I promise. It isn't so bad. Think about it. Your forum friends will still treat you as the resident forum leftist and never question your total lack of even basic ideological soundness in a historical context. It'll be alright I promise. I'm not going to touch your forum leftist social clique throne. Frankly you're out of your depth with people I'd consider ideological simpletons so for me to even grant you a response is really mentally revolting to me in and of itself.
    See, here is your problem. I know my history. I did not learn it from pictures on the internets nor youtube videos, but by studying and reading a ton of books. I know that trying to claim Marx as a racist is silly, and not even remotely as silly as thinking it would matter even if he was. I am not a fan of Marx(Karl, I love Groucho and Chico and Harpo), but that does not mean I need to spread misinformation about him.
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    Re: Karl Marx the Racist. Do most people know?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    See, here is your problem. I know my history. I did not learn it from pictures on the internets nor youtube videos, but by studying and reading a ton of books. I know that trying to claim Marx as a racist is silly, and not even remotely as silly as thinking it would matter even if he was. I am not a fan of Marx(Karl, I love Groucho and Chico and Harpo), but that does not mean I need to spread misinformation about him.
    Marx advocated (as I've shown) the mass-killing of large populations of people who he deemed too primitive to be worthy of class struggle because they were so behind. You can sit here and deny this (as you've clearly done in 75k+ posts with almost no calling out from the random wannabe leftist cadre here) but don't think I care about or am listening for a minute to your modernist leftist dribbling that Marx is being bullied and never said these things. You are wrong as wrong can be and your clueless forum cadre is just that, clueless. You do not know history.

    Start watching this video at 2:24 to see that I am 100% correct and Redress is 100% wrong.





    -Hitler was an admitted fan of Karl Marx. He read him extensively and is quoted as saying as much.

    -Practically all prominent Nazi (and Soviet) ideologues derived their bedrock ideological framework on class and racial "control" from Marx and Engels. Nazism was nothing without its Marxian racialist class structure. So much so that Hitler became furious with Goebbels because Goebbels wouldn't stop calling Nazism Marxism (which it was). (Marxism is by default a racist ideology and no Marxist intellectual would sit here and listen to you tell them otherwise without screaming you out of the room as an abominable misguided US expletive (many expletives would be used).



    Reading your posts is like reading some kid at starbucks with an apple laptop regurgitating what their Western leftist professors suggested readings say on Karl Marx. In other words, you know absolutely nothing (just by viewing your posts in this thread) about Marxism, Nazism, European nationalistic ideological slant basics, class structure, racialist underpinnings of Marxism, Engels, Marx themselves. Your posts have been some of the most intellectually historical disrespects to actual Marxian ideology that frankly I've ever read. God forbid you ever engage actual European Marxists (racists). I don't think you'd take well to them and they might attack you frankly after hearing you talk about Marx.
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    Re: Karl Marx the Racist. Do most people know?

    we can say Darwin is responsible for the holocaust ?
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    Re: Karl Marx the Racist. Do most people know?

    Here's what another famous President had to say on the matter. You know, the only person in history to nuke innocent civilians.

    In 1911, the year he turned 27, Truman wrote to his future wife, Bess: "I think one man is just as good as another so long as he's honest and decent and not a nigger or a Chinaman. Uncle Will says that the Lord made a white man from dust, a nigger from mud, then He threw up what was left and it came down a Chinaman."

    "(Uncle Will) does hate Chinese and Japs," Truman continued. "So do I. It is race prejudice, I guess. But I am strongly of the opinion Negroes ought to be in Africa, yellow men in Asia and white men in Europe and America."
    Business | Truman's Racist Talk Cited By Historian | Seattle Times Newspaper

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