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    Re: Karl Marx the Racist. Do most people know?

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Please better educate yourself. Marx was not a racist. I left a link from an educational site that describes His beliefs about race, the working class and how the capitalist use race to divide the working class.

    He it is again: Marxist theory of Racism and
    No that's inaccurate. Your link is garbage spewed by some author besides Marx.

    Both Marx and Engels were racists. Race was key to their ideology. It's one of the prime reasons Marxists such as Goebbels and other prominent Nazis as well as early Soviet ideologues took to Marxism so readily. You need to become more educated frankly. Goebbels was a Marxist as were many other Nazis.

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    Re: Karl Marx the Racist. Do most people know?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    If someone could prove that Edison was a racist would that make electricity a bad thing?

    Any thoughts on that?

    Not a racist, just on the wrong side technologically.

    And whether Marxist was a Racist or not, he was still more beard than brains.

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    Re: Karl Marx the Racist. Do most people know?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    No that's inaccurate. Your link is garbage spewed by some author besides Marx.

    Both Marx and Engels were racists. Race was key to their ideology. It's one of the prime reasons Marxists such as Goebbels and other prominent Nazis as well as early Soviet ideologues took to Marxism so readily. You need to become more educated frankly. Goebbels was a Marxist as were many other Nazis.
    Hmmmm, not according to this: Hitler had indeed cause to be grateful to his Propaganda Leader, who was the true creator and organizer of the Fuhrer myth, of the image of the Messiah-redeemer, feeding the theatrical element in the Nazi leader while at the same time inducing the self-surrender of the German masses through skilful stage management and manipulation. A cynic, devoid of genuine inner convictions, Goebbels found his mission in selling Hitler to the German public, in projecting himself as his most faithful shield-bearer and orchestrating a pseudo-religious cult of the Fuhrer as the saviour of Germany from Jews, profiteers and Marxists. Joseph Goebbels | Jewish Virtual Library

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    Re: Karl Marx the Racist. Do most people know?

    You're wrong again.

    In 1925 he was made business manager of the NSDAP in the Ruhr district and at the end of the year was already the principal collaborator of Gregor Strasser, leader of the social-revolutionary North German wing of the Party. Goebbels founded and edited the Nationalsozialistischen Briefe (NS Letters) and other publications of the Strasser brothers, sharing their proletarian anti-capitalist outlook and call for a radical revaluation of all values. His National Bolshevik tendencies found expression in his evaluation of Soviet Russia (which he regarded as both nationalist and socialist) as "Germany's natural ally against the devilish temptations and corruption of the West."

    It was at this time that Goebbels, who had co-authored the draft programme submitted by the Nazi Left at the Hanover Conference of 1926, called for the expulsion of "petty-bourgeois Adolf Hitler from the National Socialist Party." Goebbels's shrewd political instinct and his opportunism were demonstrated by his switch to Hitler's side in 1926, which was rewarded by his appointment in November of the same year as Nazi district leader for Berlin-Brandenburg.

    https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org.../goebbels.html

    From your own link.

    Goebbels was a Marxist anti-Hitler ideologue before he joined Hitler. His views hail from Marx (as do Hitlers). Hitler simply had hostilities to Russia which caused the break from Marxism in name but hardly in practice. Both Hitler and Goebbels as well as the Soviets took their Socialist and racial ideology from Marxism and simply added their own twists yet their structural ideology was still very much Marxism and they early on are quoted heavily as admitting this fact.


    Keep your shallow modernist leftist dribble out of history. Ugh it sickens me even to have to respond to your primordial.
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    Re: Karl Marx the Racist. Do most people know?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    You're wrong again.

    In 1925 he was made business manager of the NSDAP in the Ruhr district and at the end of the year was already the principal collaborator of Gregor Strasser, leader of the social-revolutionary North German wing of the Party. Goebbels founded and edited the Nationalsozialistischen Briefe (NS Letters) and other publications of the Strasser brothers, sharing their proletarian anti-capitalist outlook and call for a radical revaluation of all values. His National Bolshevik tendencies found expression in his evaluation of Soviet Russia (which he regarded as both nationalist and socialist) as "Germany's natural ally against the devilish temptations and corruption of the West."

    It was at this time that Goebbels, who had co-authored the draft programme submitted by the Nazi Left at the Hanover Conference of 1926, called for the expulsion of "petty-bourgeois Adolf Hitler from the National Socialist Party." Goebbels's shrewd political instinct and his opportunism were demonstrated by his switch to Hitler's side in 1926, which was rewarded by his appointment in November of the same year as Nazi district leader for Berlin-Brandenburg.

    https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org.../goebbels.html

    From your own link.

    Goebbels was a Marxist anti-Hitler ideologue before he joined Hitler. His views hail from Marx (as do Hitlers). Hitler simply had hostilities to Russia which caused the break from Marxism in name but hardly in practice. Both Hitler and Goebbels as well as the Soviets took their Socialist and racial ideology from Marxism and simply added their own twists yet their structural ideology was still very much Marxism and they early on are quoted heavily as admitting this fact.


    Keep your shallow modernist leftist dribble out of history. Ugh it sickens me even to have to respond to your primordial.
    Yeah sure. Hitler and Goebbels used Marxist theroy during their reign of terrorism. I see this is a complete waste of time.

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    Re: Karl Marx the Racist. Do most people know?

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Yeah sure. Hitler and Goebbels used Marxist theroy during their reign of terrorism. I see this is a complete waste of time.
    Goebbels was an admitted Marxist. I know you don't know that because you lack education on these things but try to grasp it mentally from your intellectual superiors. The vast majority of Nazi ideologues were Marxist before they changed to National Socialism.

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    Re: Karl Marx the Racist. Do most people know?

    For those interested: Abstract: JSTOR: An Error Occurred Setting Your User Cookie
    The Marxist interpretation of the black experience in America has always had difficulty explaining various noneconomic aspects of racism and the presence of racism within the working class. With the development of post-World War II capitalism, Marxism seems unable to concede and intellectually incorporate an economics of uselessness in which large numbers of blacks are permanently unemployed. Many blacks who are also highly critical of capitalism have come to reject a class analysis which blames capitalists for the racism within the white working class. Yet, by understanding more fully the labor process within capitalism, it is possible to incorporate an explanation of working-class racism within another type of class analysis.

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    Re: Karl Marx the Racist. Do most people know?

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    For those interested: Abstract: JSTOR: An Error Occurred Setting Your User Cookie
    The Marxist interpretation of the black experience in America has always had difficulty explaining various noneconomic aspects of racism and the presence of racism within the working class. With the development of post-World War II capitalism, Marxism seems unable to concede and intellectually incorporate an economics of uselessness in which large numbers of blacks are permanently unemployed. Many blacks who are also highly critical of capitalism have come to reject a class analysis which blames capitalists for the racism within the white working class. Yet, by understanding more fully the labor process within capitalism, it is possible to incorporate an explanation of working-class racism within another type of class analysis.
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    Re: Karl Marx the Racist. Do most people know?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    Denial is the first form of subconscious acknowledgement.

    Um, JSTOR vs online cherry picked propaganda....hard to choose which to believe.

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    ah yes the "nazis were really marxists" drek
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