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    Re: Should the US launch a military strike on Iran?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Remember, even Colin Powell was lied to:

    Ex-secretary of state Colin Powell called on the CIA and Pentagon to explain how he was given unreliable information which proved key to the US case for invading Iraq, the Guardian reported Wednesday.

    Powell’s landmark speech to the United Nations on February 5, 2003, cited intelligence about Iraq leader Saddam Hussein’s bioweapons programme gained from a defector, codenamed Curveball.

    But he has now admitted that he lied to topple the dictator, in an interview with the Guardian.

    “It has been known for several years that the source called Curveball was totally unreliable,” Powell told the British newspaper.

    The question should be put to the CIA and the DIA (Defense Intelligence Agency) as to why this wasn’t known before the false information was put into the (report) sent to Congress, the president’s state of the union address and my 5 February presentation to the UN.”
    It was known, but like Downing Street said, Bush was fixing the intelligence around the policy. And of course Bush entered the WH with a policy of regime change in Iraq. His first foreign policy meeting was to discuss just that. And as PNAC stated, all that was needed was a new Pearl Harbor and the neocons could implement everything they wanted to.
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    Re: Should the US launch a military strike on Iran?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Well, the problem is, you're one of the very few who think that if we sell a bullet to one side or both sides in a war, we're somehow at war, too. Of course the fact that very few think this way doesn't automatically mean you're wrong...but dude, you're going to have a very, very hard time convincing almost every historian ever born that they're wrong about what constitutes wartime status of a nation.
    Well, in a sense I suppose. But seemed to me that as the largest military arms dealer in the world, that Dave was focussing more on the typical MIC (business) capitalisation of it.
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    Re: Should the US launch a military strike on Iran?

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Funny, how those in foreign countries see the President in a very different light than some Americans view him
    Oh gee that's nice you found something favorable on BO. They like him. Did you miss the French calling BO an Amateur in the Iranian Negotiations just a little over a weak ago?

    What happened with the Saud not contacting BO with their offensive into Yemen....until their planes were in the air and ready to cross over into Yemen? Why do you think they called BO at the very last minute? Why has the Saud criticized him saying he can't be trusted?

    Which says nothing of Netanyahu who has criticized him. Nor the UAE and Egypt.

    Why do the reports with those in South and Central America don't find him so favorable?????

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    Re: Should the US launch a military strike on Iran?

    Quote Originally Posted by kjwins View Post
    Obama, Bush. same guy different party. More than enough blame to go around. Lets just not turn Bush into a hero. As the right has done with Reagan.

    Thing is these guys are just tools for the corporate state. That's were the power is. Only the American people can fix this. But it won't be by fighting over who is worse.
    The vast majority of DP posters are partisans on one or the other side, and protection and perpetuation of their parties power trumps what's good for America.
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    Re: Should the US launch a military strike on Iran?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Oh gee that's nice you found something favorable on BO. They like him. Did you miss the French calling BO an Amateur in the Iranian Negotiations just a little over a weak ago?

    What happened with the Saud not contacting BO with their offensive into Yemen....until their planes were in the air and ready to cross over into Yemen? Why do you think they called BO at the very last minute? Why has the Saud criticized him saying he can't be trusted?

    Which says nothing of Netanyahu who has criticized him. Nor the UAE and Egypt.

    Why do the reports with those in South and Central America don't find him so favorable?????
    Criticism by one politician does not necessarily equate with public opinion in the politician's nation.

    All this said, however much disappointment global publics may have in Barack Obama, they still prefer him to his predecessor George W. Bush. In 2008, the year he left office, a median of just 19 percent in 20 nations had confidence in Bush’s handling of world affairs, compared with 57 percent that still have confidence in Obama in those same countries.
    Yeah, I did miss the French calling Obama an amateur - care to provide a link?
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    Re: Should the US launch a military strike on Iran?

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Criticism by one politician does not necessarily equate with public opinion in the politician's nation.



    Yeah, I did miss the French calling Obama an amateur - care to provide a link?

    Its not just one politician.....and its not just about calling BO an Amateur. Worse is all those not trusting us all due to BO and His Team.


    French leaders think the U.S. president is dangerously naïve on Iran's ambitions, and that his notion of making Iran an "objective ally" in the war against ISIS, or even a partner, together with Putin's Russia, to find a political solution to the Syrian crisis, is both far-fetched and "amateurish."

    When Claude Angéli says that both France's Foreign Minister, Laurent Fabius, and its President, François Hollande, have told friends that they rely on "the support of the US Congress" to prevent Obama from giving in to Iran's nuclear ambitions, it is the kind of quote you can take to the bank. French diplomats worry that if Iran gets nuclear weapons, every other local Middle East power will want them. Among their worst nightmares is a situation in which Turkey, Egypt and Saudi Arabia join the Dr. Strangelove club.

    The French are still smarting from the last-minute reprieve Obama granted Syria, as the French air force was about to bomb the Assad regime's military positions back in 2013, because the U.S. President had been convinced by Russia that they had succeeded in making Syrian President Bashar al-Assad give up on the use of his chemical weapons. "Our Rafale fighters were about to scramble," a French air force officer is quoted as saying; "Hollande was furious."....snip~

    What France Really Thinks of U.S. Iran Policy






    NBC’s Richard Engel reported Friday that U.S. officials were stunned they were not given any notice before Saudi Arabia launched attacks against Houthi rebels. According to Engel, military leaders were finding out about the developments on the Yemen border in real time.

    Engel said officials from both the military and members of Congress believe they were not given advanced warning because the Arab nations do not trust the Obama administration after they befriended Iran.

    Saudi Arabia and other countries simply don’t trust the United States any more, don’t trust this administration, think the administration is working to befriend Iran to try to make a deal in Switzerland, and therefore didn’t feel the intelligence frankly would be secure. And I think that’s a situation that is quite troubling for U.S. foreign policy,” Engel said......snip~

    Richard Engel: Military Officials Say Allies No Longer Trust Us, Fear Intel Might Leak to Iran | Washington Free Beacon

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    Re: Should the US launch a military strike on Iran?

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    How about... "Hell no!"
    I believe that countries don't start wars because the vast majority of people want it.Imo this poll is meaningless.

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    Re: Should the US launch a military strike on Iran?

    Under our current leadership, I would have to say no. If we had decent leadership, then the answer would undoubtedly be no. A "military strike" is not the answer, complete annihilation of the current regime would have to be the goal. Iran, besides seeking nuclear weapons, is a major supporter of terrorism and the unrest in the region.

    We have seen Iranians in Bosnia-Herzegovina during that conflict. We saw them coming in from Syria during our struggles in Iraq and were suppliers for the Shia faction "insurgents". We see them behind unrest in Yemen and other Shia backed uprisings in many areas in the region. They are supporters of the Assad regime. They have in past and continue to sponsor terrorism against Israel. They are the key sponsors and supporters of almost all Shia faction terrorism throughout the world.
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    Re: Should the US launch a military strike on Iran?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    It was known, but like Downing Street said, Bush was fixing the intelligence around the policy. And of course Bush entered the WH with a policy of regime change in Iraq. His first foreign policy meeting was to discuss just that. And as PNAC stated, all that was needed was a new Pearl Harbor and the neocons could implement everything they wanted to.
    But of course the conservative line is that the Dems in Congress voted for it...and they refuse to acknowledge that the Dems who voted for it had been lied to just like even Colin Powell had been lied to.
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    Re: Should the US launch a military strike on Iran?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Well, in a sense I suppose. But seemed to me that as the largest military arms dealer in the world, that Dave was focussing more on the typical MIC (business) capitalisation of it.
    True. And it shows the truth in your signature line.
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