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    Re: Should the US launch a military strike on Iran?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Remember, even Colin Powell was lied to:

    Ex-secretary of state Colin Powell called on the CIA and Pentagon to explain how he was given unreliable information which proved key to the US case for invading Iraq, the Guardian reported Wednesday.

    Powell’s landmark speech to the United Nations on February 5, 2003, cited intelligence about Iraq leader Saddam Hussein’s bioweapons programme gained from a defector, codenamed Curveball.

    But he has now admitted that he lied to topple the dictator, in an interview with the Guardian.

    “It has been known for several years that the source called Curveball was totally unreliable,” Powell told the British newspaper.

    The question should be put to the CIA and the DIA (Defense Intelligence Agency) as to why this wasn’t known before the false information was put into the (report) sent to Congress, the president’s state of the union address and my 5 February presentation to the UN.”
    Do you Bush haters ever let go of anything?

    OK everything is Bush's fault.

    No what has Obama done to fix that?

    Bush had wars in two countries, Obama the great has wars in seven and is losing, we are now watching children being butchered, pilots being burned alive, women beheaded...

    It's better under him?

    Based on Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq now, Iran, Syria, Egypt, Yemen, Pakistan, and general mayhem, I would take Bush' invasion - which i opposed over everything this sorry dolt has screwed up so far.

    And, in closing, I was unaware that Bush allowed Russia to steal part of Eastern Europe, did not say "If you like your plan..." and did not break every promise made.

    So, I want to thank you for this opportunity to point out once again how the lame and nearly illiterate George Bush was superior to Obama in every way and we haven't even mentioned "amnesty" closing Gitmo, "spontaneous demonstrations" or golf scores
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    Re: Should the US launch a military strike on Iran?

    Obama, Bush. same guy different party. More than enough blame to go around. Lets just not turn Bush into a hero. As the right has done with Reagan.

    Thing is these guys are just tools for the corporate state. That's were the power is. Only the American people can fix this. But it won't be by fighting over who is worse.

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    Re: Should the US launch a military strike on Iran?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    It seems you have a "reading comprehension problem" now.

    Shia, Sunni?

    What the **** is that even about?

    My point was specific to a post that made th absolutely absurd statement that "all US problems in the middle east began with George W. Bush's invasion of Iraq.

    I am simply pointing out the US has always had problems in the middle east and the lame misfits who can't read at all need to stop blaming George Bush for everything from Obama's problems with Canada to ice storms in the winter.



    I suppose soon you all will be saying the US never had a problem anywhere before George W. Bush as that appears to be one sick obsession
    You just lied, I never said all of the problems were due to President Bush invading Iraq. In fact you quoted me as they were the exact words i wrote. Not even close dude.

    And if you don't know how the Sunni and Shia sects fit in the story, there no sense speaking to you.

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    Re: Should the US launch a military strike on Iran?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    Obama started those wars? When?
    Wars require money and weapons. We give them all money, weapons, and training.

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    Re: Should the US launch a military strike on Iran?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Do you Bush haters ever let go of anything?

    OK everything is Bush's fault.

    No what has Obama done to fix that?
    You mean, like getting us completely out of Iraq, Almost completely out of Afghanistan, taking us from losing 800K jobs per month to a record fifty-plus (and counting) consecutive months of private-sector job growth, growing the government at a slower pace than any president since Eisenhower, having the federal tax burden on individuals lower than at any time since Truman, having the Dow hit record territory fifty-odd times last year (after it was below 7000 two months after he took office), and now even the S&P and Nasdaq are near record territory...yeah, Obama's really tried to destroy America, huh?

    Bush had wars in two countries, Obama the great has wars in seven and is losing, we are now watching children being butchered, pilots being burned alive, women beheaded...
    Really? How, exactly, are you arriving at SEVEN wars? Are you counting Libya, wherein we had ZERO boots on the ground? Are you counting Syria, where we also have ZERO boots on the ground? Are you STILL counting Iraq and Afghanistan as if you think that Obama should have been able to just wave his magical pen and make those two wars end the day he took office? Really, guy, why the heck do you think that Bush Sr. said that NO, we shouldn't go to Baghdad because there was no viable EXIT strategy????

    It's better under him?
    FAR better, yes!

    Based on Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq now, Iran, Syria, Egypt, Yemen, Pakistan, and general mayhem, I would take Bush' invasion - which i opposed over everything this sorry dolt has screwed up so far.
    So...now you're counting Iran as a war? And as far as Yemen and Pakistan go, how many troops have we lost in those places? Are we spending TWELVE BILLION DOLLARS A MONTH specifically on war and occupation? How many soldiers are we losing every freaking month as compared to under Bush Jr.?

    In other words, guy, I suggest you go find a dictionary, look up the word "objectivity", and learn to abide by it.

    And, in closing, I was unaware that Bush allowed Russia to steal part of Eastern Europe,
    Um, as I recall, Bush allowed Russia to come in and effectively annex Georgia and did NOTHING about it. And gee, when Putin was able to do that without any real action from the West, did that give him the idea that he could do so with the Crimea? Yep! And perhaps you should not forget that preventing all-out war - which could result in a general thermonuclear exchange resulting in the effectively complete destruction of America (and Russia, and most of the rest of the free world) is infinitely more important than sending in the U.S. Army to try to take back the Crimea or to support the Ukraine.

    did not say "If you like your plan..."
    If you want to lay blame, the blame, sir, belongs with the insurance companies that - AFTER Obamacare was passed - STILL continued to sell policies that they knew damn well wouldn't meet Obamacare standards. These, sir, were the plans that had to be changed.

    and did not break every promise made.
    Funny! Of course, Politifact says he broke 22% of his promises. Oh, that's right - I forgot! Politifact is biased...probably because reality has a liberal bias....

    So, I want to thank you for this opportunity to point out once again how the lame and nearly illiterate George Bush was superior to Obama in every way and we haven't even mentioned "amnesty" closing Gitmo, "spontaneous demonstrations" or golf scores
    And I want to thank you for showing all and sundry how the Right has lost all semblance of objectivity, that reality means far less to them than does taking every possible opportunity to tear down Obama.
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    Re: Should the US launch a military strike on Iran?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Wars require money and weapons. We give them all money, weapons, and training.
    So that means that the Iran-Iraq war was our war, too, huh?
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    Re: Should the US launch a military strike on Iran?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    You just lied, I never said all of the problems were due to President Bush invading Iraq. In fact you quoted me as they were the exact words i wrote. Not even close dude.

    And if you don't know how the Sunni and Shia sects fit in the story, there no sense speaking to you.
    As if there was any point in speaking to you.

    I do not care how you nuance the great Obama, you are worse off today whether it is because sunni's are killinmg babies or shiites. in the end you have had NOTHING BUT 'trouble" the middle east no matter how much you whine about George W. Bush''
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    Re: Should the US launch a military strike on Iran?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    You mean, like getting us completely out of Iraq, Almost completely out of Afghanistan, taking us from losing 800K jobs per month to a record fifty-plus (and counting) consecutive months of private-sector job growth, growing the government at a slower pace than any president since Eisenhower, having the federal tax burden on individuals lower than at any time since Truman, having the Dow hit record territory fifty-odd times last year (after it was below 7000 two months after he took office), and now even the S&P and Nasdaq are near record territory...yeah, Obama's really tried to destroy America, huh?




    Really? How, exactly, are you arriving at SEVEN wars? Are you counting Libya, wherein we had ZERO boots on the ground? Are you counting Syria, where we also have ZERO boots on the ground? Are you STILL counting Iraq and Afghanistan as if you think that Obama should have been able to just wave his magical pen and make those two wars end the day he took office? Really, guy, why the heck do you think that Bush Sr. said that NO, we shouldn't go to Baghdad because there was no viable EXIT strategy????



    FAR better, yes!



    So...now you're counting Iran as a war? And as far as Yemen and Pakistan go, how many troops have we lost in those places? Are we spending TWELVE BILLION DOLLARS A MONTH specifically on war and occupation? How many soldiers are we losing every freaking month as compared to under Bush Jr.?

    In other words, guy, I suggest you go find a dictionary, look up the word "objectivity", and learn to abide by it.



    Um, as I recall, Bush allowed Russia to come in and effectively annex Georgia and did NOTHING about it. And gee, when Putin was able to do that without any real action from the West, did that give him the idea that he could do so with the Crimea? Yep! And perhaps you should not forget that preventing all-out war - which could result in a general thermonuclear exchange resulting in the effectively complete destruction of America (and Russia, and most of the rest of the free world) is infinitely more important than sending in the U.S. Army to try to take back the Crimea or to support the Ukraine.



    If you want to lay blame, the blame, sir, belongs with the insurance companies that - AFTER Obamacare was passed - STILL continued to sell policies that they knew damn well wouldn't meet Obamacare standards. These, sir, were the plans that had to be changed.



    Funny! Of course, Politifact says he broke 22% of his promises. Oh, that's right - I forgot! Politifact is biased...probably because reality has a liberal bias....



    And I want to thank you for showing all and sundry how the Right has lost all semblance of objectivity, that reality means far less to them than does taking every possible opportunity to tear down Obama.


    You waste your time.

    I have stated that I do not believe you. why fill a page with a rant from everything from how the war was "ended" and other outright lies of your "you can keep your plan president to ****ing nasdaq, in the end it's all White House propaganda.

    You are losing the war on terror. Terrorists control more territory now than ever before.

    Thanks for playing

    Good bye
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    Re: Should the US launch a military strike on Iran?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    You waste your time.

    I have stated that I do not believe you. why fill a page with a rant from everything from how the war was "ended" and other outright lies of your "you can keep your plan president to ****ing nasdaq, in the end it's all White House propaganda.

    You are losing the war on terror. Terrorists control more territory now than ever before.

    Thanks for playing

    Good bye
    Of the measurable claims I made in my post, could you point out which of them are false?
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    Re: Should the US launch a military strike on Iran?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    You waste your time.

    I have stated that I do not believe you. why fill a page with a rant from everything from how the war was "ended" and other outright lies of your "you can keep your plan president to ****ing nasdaq, in the end it's all White House propaganda.

    You are losing the war on terror. Terrorists control more territory now than ever before.

    Thanks for playing

    Good bye
    How exactly do you win a war on an ideology?

    You are correct when you say the terrorist control more territory now than before. The before is before President Bush invaded Iraq, you don't seem to understand he upset the apple cart.

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