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Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay [W:150]

Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay People?


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Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

are you arguing that American Christians are less tolerant than American Muslims?

Really?

Actually, it is more a matter of numbers. There are almost certainly fewer Muslim bakeries or other food places owned by Muslims than those owned by Christians. There really aren't that many people of either group (Muslims or Christians) who are so fundamentalist that they would refuse service to gays based on that, especially in a way that they could get in trouble . This makes it much less likely for Muslims to make the news for any refusals to serve.
 
Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

It was a question.


You didn't answer it.

I think the reason he may not have answered is because your question was proof there is such a thing as a stupid question. Nothing he said was in any way related to the question you asked. You tried asking a leading question and got caught.
 
Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

The "absence" has more to do with liberal media coverage (or lack thereof) than anything else....

Weak, dude. Super weak. Media coverage in the sense you're talking about is about saturation, not absence of media coverage altogether. If you really wanted to find the stories, you'd find them.

SInce I am not a social conservative, and look at this from a libertarian standpoint, I can clearly see the bias and hypocrisy of several on the left over this.

And where are you seeing this hypocrisy? Is it this thread where all the liberals voted that muslim businesses can't discriminate against gays? Is it hypocrisy over the examples of discrimination by non-Christians you can't even seem to find?

Really weak, man, you're capable of better than this.

I answered a question similar to the poll question by Josie in another thread and took the side of the Christian baker, and was automatically accused of lying by X-Factor. I'm wondering who the first person will be that accuses all the liberals in this thread of lying by voting "no."
 
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Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

Self explanatory. This is a consistency check for all sides. Does changing up the religion itself change anything?

Who the hell said yes!? Of course not, why is the question even being asked?
 
Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

I don't respond to stupid questions based on a premise you manufactured out of thin air.

I think the reason he may not have answered is because your question was proof there is such a thing as a stupid question. Nothing he said was in any way related to the question you asked. You tried asking a leading question and got caught.


*sigh*



It's a simple question, if you all don't want to answer it, getting all whiney about it really isn't needed and actually is quite the answer in and of its self.
 
Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

*sigh*



It's a simple question, if you all don't want to answer it, getting all whiney about it really isn't needed and actually is quite the answer in and of its self.

"Are you still beating your wife" is a simple question too.

Most people recognize what it is though.
 
Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

Weak, dude. Super weak. Media coverage in the sense you're talking about is about saturation, not absence of media coverage altogether. If you really wanted to find the stories, you'd find them.



And where are you seeing this hypocrisy? Is it this thread where all the liberals voted that muslim businesses can't discriminate against gays? Is it hypocrisy over the examples of discrimination by non-Christians you can't even seem to find?

Really weak, man, you're capable of better than this.

I answered a question similar to the poll question by Josie in another thread and took the side of the Christian baker, and was automatically accused of lying by X-Factor. I'm wondering who the first person will be that accuses all the liberals in this thread of lying by voting "no."


Can you show me an example of the left starting anti-muslim threads at any rate? not even at the rate they bash christians?
 
Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

"Are you still beating your wife" is a simple question too.

Most people recognize what it is though.



fail.


"are you still beating your wife"

"No"

indicates you stopped but in the past engaged in it.


That is a loaded question fallacy....



"are you arguing that American Christians are less tolerant than American Muslims? "


"yes I am"

"no I am not"


Has clear answer without having you to admit to something else in the process.


it is NOT a loaded question.....



But, like I said, you really don't have to go out of your way to simply say "I won't answer that" *shrug*
 
Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

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Originally Posted by Cardinal

And we've seen social conservatives bitch and whine like petulant children because liberals aren't protesting other groups for discrimination. This in spite of the fact that examples of their discrimination are so conspicuously absent that conservatives were forced to manufacture their own troll videos. Social conservatives need to grow up and take responsibility for themselves instead of trying foolishly to deflect to everywhere else but themselves.
And that idiot troll who made the video asked for writing "like a picture of two guys holding hands" (para) on the cake. Not comparable to the cases that have come up for adjudication.
In addition, the Muslim bakers names of the few businesses that said no wasn't even stated -- plus, even that idiot Crowder admitted most Muslim bakers *would* bake the cake.

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are you arguing that American Christians are less tolerant than American Muslims?


Really?
EM.

I'll let the reader be the judge.
 
Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

Can you show me an example of the left starting anti-muslim threads at any rate? not even at the rate they bash christians?

Do your own homework, I'm busy. If you want me to condemn liberals for not criticizing Muslims in the United States for discriminating, then dig up a story of Muslims discriminating against Christians, gays, etc.

It's not our job to prove a negative for you.
 
Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

Do your own homework, I'm busy. If you want me to condemn liberals for not criticizing Muslims in the United States for discriminating, then dig up a story of Muslims discriminating against Christians, gays, etc.

It's not our job to prove a negative for you.



I didn't think so. That's not a negative, bro, that's a comparison.


I don't think there has been one thread by a leftist bashing muslims for thier beliefs. not one.
 
Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

EM.

I'll let the reader be the judge.



again, you can say "yes" or "no" without having to admit to an underlying condition of the question.

That's not a "loaded question" bro.


"So when did you stop smoking crack" is a loaded question.

"are you really saying crack is safe"? "Really"? is not a loaded question.
 
Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

I didn't think so. That's not a negative, bro, that's a comparison.


I don't think there has been one thread by a leftist bashing muslims for thier beliefs. not one.

Okay, I'll find the instances of liberals condemning Muslims for acts of discrimination that don't exist. Good thinking.
 
Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

Okay, I'll find the instances of liberals condemning Muslims for acts of discrimination that don't exist. Good thinking.



You are changing it now, I'll make it easy, find me one that cristisizes the muslim faith, at all. one thread...
 
Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

You are changing it now, I'll make it easy, find me one that cristisizes the muslim faith, at all. one thread...

You're increasing the radius of the discussion to something outside of the thread topic. Not falling for it. Why don't you find us an instance of Muslims discriminating against customers? That's very much on topic.
 
Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

You're increasing the radius of the discussion to something outside of the thread topic. Not falling for it.



No your restricting it so you don't have to admit a given.
 
Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

No your restricting it so you don't have to admit a given.

Alright, RH, fine. Before I find examples though I'll need to know how to research efficiently so I don't waste both our time. What kinds of examples are you looking for, exactly? How many examples do you want to see? And what would cause you to dismiss those examples as invalid?
 
Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

Alright, RH, fine. Before I find examples though I'll need to know how to research efficiently so I don't waste both our time. What kinds of examples are you looking for, exactly? How many examples do you want to see? And what would cause you to dismiss those examples as invalid?



Any thread started by a liberal bashing, mocking, or critisizing the muslim faith as they have done for christians. From any time, in any subforum.


invalid examples are threads not about the muslim faith or beliefs specifically.
 
Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

Any thread started by a liberal bashing, mocking, or critisizing the muslim faith as they have done for christians. From any time, in any subforum.


invalid examples are threads not about the muslim faith or beliefs specifically.

Any thread? Started by a liberal. So just one will do? And by "not about the muslim faith or beliefs specifically," what does that mean exactly?

What might lead you to doubt that the thread starter is, in fact, a liberal?
 
Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

Any thread? So just one will do? And by "not about the muslim faith or beliefs specifically," what does that mean exactly?



Some examples, but of course muslim instead of christian.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/philosophical-discussions/216329-jesus-myth-claims-w-335-a.html
http://www.debatepolitics.com/religious-discussions/220753-women-christianity.html
http://www.debatepolitics.com/relig...ist-people-hell-and-list-those-their-way.html
http://www.debatepolitics.com/religious-discussions/212574-catholic-soldiers-christ.html (he has a bunch but we'll just do the one)
 
Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

I dunno, thier other posts?

So you would, I would assume, accept that someone like Paschendale, Redress, Roguenuke, Iguanaman, Arcana, SouthernDemocrat or myself would be liberals.

And you need just one thread. And it can take place on any topic related to being critical of Muslim faith. Anywhere. Any time. Period.

Yes?
 
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