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Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay [W:150]

Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay People?


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Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

Self explanatory. This is a consistency check for all sides. Does changing up the religion itself change anything?

Why would the religion of the owner matter? Every time some one(and it has been a bunch the last week, every one thinks it is oh so clever to do this) makes a thread going "OMG, but what if it is Muslims", I ask that question, and no one can answer it.
 
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I say lets just decide whether or not we want to do business with someone based on behavior. It doesn't even need to be in business, just life in general. So if you behead somebody, I don't care if you are Muslim or not, you need to be ended for the good of society. If you walk in to a business and bait then with a question about a wedding cake for a gay couple with the intent of creating a news story, the owner of the business should kick your sorry ass out of their place of business. Not because you are gay (don't know if the reporter asking the hypothetical question of the pizzaria owners was or not, doesn't really matter) but because you are a childish asshole who intends harm to the business owner. I had a Vietnam veteran who expected me to diagnose his car for free. Didn't happen. Gotcha game liberals would likely then claim that I "hate" veterans, not true at all. I just refuse to work for free considering I have overhead to cover.
 
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I've been told time and time again that most Gays are just like me. How would the business owner know if they din't say so?

Well 2 guys walk in and state we are getting married and need a cake for our wedding.
Now a side topic.
Muslim taxi drivers were refusing to carry passengers who had alcohol in their possession.(that was in the US)
Another case up north- Male barbers - only cut men's hair due to religious beliefs- women walked in asked for a hair cut - refused service.They offered to have a woman cut ther hair, even pay for the cost. She then refused.
So their is more to this than a cake. or photos or a wedding planner.
Why is it that gays are the popular target- topic when other instances have arisen?
It is a cultural clash of various religious beliefs and human rights.
 
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If Homosexuals aren't ordering a SSM cake or wanting you to take photos of Dave and Jim, the owner might never know you're Gay.

What is an SSM cake? Does it have special ingredients? And what if Dave and Tim are the best friends of another guy who is marrying his girlfriend, would the photographer have issues taking pictured of them then? Did you even think before posting this tripe?
 
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If Homosexuals aren't ordering a SSM cake or wanting you to take photos of Dave and Jim, the owner might never know you're Gay.

They aren't ordering a "SSM cake", just a "wedding cake" of the same kind that opposite sex couples order.
 
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What is an SSM cake? Does it have special ingredients? And what if Dave and Tim are the best friends of another guy who is marrying his girlfriend, would the photographer have issues taking pictured of them then? Did you even think before posting this tripe?

The funny thing is that the husband in the wedding photography case claimed that they would refuse to take pictures of two people of the same sex kissing or holding hands if it might be taken as intimate. But the wife was the photographer (from what I read) and didn't really seem to agree with this statement.

I don't know if she had taken pictures like this, but I am wondering, since many women (especially) will get pretty intimate at events like weddings with their female friends, bridesmaids, sisters, and other, including giving kisses and holding hands. I've had someone ask me before if my sister and I were lesbians in a bar because we are very affectionate, even in public (although I'm not really comfortable kissing any of my relatives on the mouth, getting used to it with my sons though), just due to that level of affection we have shown and how people can misinterpret that. Some men and women are simply affectionate people, and it is quite likely that they have photographed at least one opposite sex wedding where such displays of platonic affection for people of the same sex were going on and photographed even.
 
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I've been told time and time again that most Gays are just like me. How would the business owner know if they din't say so?

Most bakers want to meet the people getting married. And most couples want to get a chance to decide on the cake together. It would be pretty obvious for two men to walk into a baker together and start discussing the cake with each other that they were the party getting married. Unless you are saying they should lie or go out of their way to hide the fact that they are a same sex couple getting married.
 
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Show me where the Homosexual lobby has come out against the Muslim business practices/discrimination?

Well that dodge and move of the goalposts were predictable.
 
Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

Self explanatory. This is a consistency check for all sides. Does changing up the religion itself change anything?

No. Should a homosexual owned business be legally permitted to refuse service to Muslims? ;)
 
Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

No. Should a homosexual owned business be legally permitted to refuse service to Muslims? ;)

You should start a poll!
 
Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

Self explanatory. This is a consistency check for all sides. Does changing up the religion itself change anything?

Not by one stitch. Discrimination in public business is a violation - full stop.
 
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Well that dodge and move of the goalposts were predictable.

As far as legalities, that was my question.
 
Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

You ask the wrong question...

The right question is would all the liberal PC warriors go after a muslim business the way they went after a christian one for not wanting to cater a gay event?


It's rhetorical.
 
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Some of you need to read all the posts before posting your tripe.
 
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I can't answer the poll question as asked which is to narrow and can be interpreted in skewed ways.


Therefore...

As applied to privately owned businesses public accommodation laws should be repealed (not just an exception for Muslims), as applied to government entities "no" - they should remain in place with a couple of caveats :

1. Private entities classified as public carriers (communications utilities) and common carrier (transportation utilities).

2. Medical and paraprofessional medical personnel involved with health care which may be of a life saving or critical nature (emergency room, paramedics, specialists involved in treatment, etc.). Those providing purely elective procedures (elective cosmetic surgery, fertility clinics, etc.) would still be able to be exempt.

3. Government entities (local, state, and federal) would have restrictions in place to not contract with or purchase goods and services from private entities which operate on a discriminatory business model.


In general, the widespread issues from 60 years ago have been resolved by fundamental shifts in society. Sure there will be isolated instances, that's the price of liberty and dealing with your own issues. A burger joint says - I won't serve a black? OK, walk across the street to Applebee's. A photographer doesn't want to shoot a same-sex wedding? OK, Google or Angie's List another photographer in the area. Will there be some isolated cases (to contrast with the widespread discrimination from many years ago.


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Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

Self explanatory. This is a consistency check for all sides. Does changing up the religion itself change anything?



This strikes me as a continuation of some petty fight elsewhere.

And the "topic' is far too general to really address the topic.

My question to all is 'do the actions of faithful, Christian, Muslim or other, justify death threats.

I still have not seen one supporter of this insistence to force people to serve who they don't want even mention that death threats are bad.

The silence is tacit embrace.

The moral aspect of this has been lost since there seems to be no objection to illegal and vilifying behavior.

Once again America, the nations who resolved this over a decade ago? What do they do? There's never been death threats here, in France, the Netherlands, Germany or anywhere else.
 
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You ask the wrong question...

The right question is would all the liberal PC warriors go after a muslim business the way they went after a christian one for not wanting to cater a gay event?


It's rhetorical.

You should probably take note of the fact that examples of such are so lacking that social conservatives had to manufacture troll videos and phone calls calculated to be so mind bogglingly insulting to the owner that a refusal was guaranteed at the outset, all so they could make some spurious point. Of course, how far they were forced to go in order to accomplish that ultimately negated the issue (discrimination) altogether. Clearly in the United States the demographic responsible for the push to be able to discriminate in commerce is currently white Christians. So you can complain that liberals aren't lambasting other groups equally, when in fact that may just be because those groups aren't responsible for any significant part of the discrimination.
 
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Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

You should probably take note of the fact that examples of such are so lacking that social conservatives had to manufacture troll videos and phone calls calculated to be so mind bogglingly insulting to the owner that a refusal was guaranteed at the outset, all so they could make some spurious point. Of course, how far they were forced to go in order to accomplish that ultimately negated the issue (discrimination) altogether. Clearly in the United States the demographic responsible for the push to be able to discriminate in commerce is currently white Christians. So you can complain that liberals aren't lambasting other groups equally, when in fact that may just be because those groups aren't any significant part of the discrimination.




lol, so you are arguing that the muslims in question would bake a gay cake and that it's all "white christians" fault?

REally?
 
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lol, so you are arguing that the muslims in question would bake a gay cake and that it's all "white christians" fault?

REally?

What's a gay cake? I'm saying you should find it notable that you can't even find any examples of them refusing to sell the same product to gays that they would sell to anyone else.
 
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What's a gay cake? I'm saying you should find it notable that you can't even find any examples of them refusing to sell the same product to gays that they would sell to anyone else.


You know what I mean.


It's not PC to point out bigotry among the muslim community, the media ignores it, and when it's shown the left, blames "white christians" for muslims showing the same bigotry.
 
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You know what I mean.


It's not PC to point out bigotry among the muslim community, the media ignores it, and when it's shown the left, blames "white christians" for muslims showing the same bigotry.

And we've seen social conservatives bitch and whine like petulant children because liberals aren't protesting other groups for discrimination. This in spite of the fact that examples of their discrimination are so conspicuously absent that conservatives were forced to manufacture their own troll videos. Social conservatives need to grow up and take responsibility for themselves instead of trying foolishly to deflect to everywhere else but themselves.
 
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And we've seen social conservatives bitch and whine like petulant children because liberals aren't protesting other groups for discrimination. This in spite of the fact that examples of their discrimination are so conspicuously absent that conservatives were forced to manufacture their own troll videos. Social conservatives need to grow up and take responsibility for themselves instead of trying foolishly to deflect to everywhere else but themselves.

And that idiot troll who made the video asked for writing "like a picture of two guys holding hands" (para) on the cake. Not comparable to the cases that have come up for adjudication.
In addition, the Muslim bakers names of the few businesses that said no wasn't even stated -- plus, even that idiot Crowder admitted most Muslim bakers *would* bake the cake.
 
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And we've seen social conservatives bitch and whine like petulant children because liberals aren't protesting other groups for discrimination. This in spite of the fact that examples of their discrimination are so conspicuously absent that conservatives were forced to manufacture their own troll videos. Social conservatives need to grow up and take responsibility for themselves instead of trying foolishly to deflect to everywhere else but themselves.




The "absence" has more to do with liberal media coverage (or lack thereof) than anything else.... SInce I am not a social conservative, and look at this from a libertarian standpoint, I can clearly see the bias and hypocrisy of several on the left over this.
 
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And that idiot troll who made the video asked for writing "like a picture of two guys holding hands" (para) on the cake. Not comparable to the cases that have come up for adjudication.
In addition, the Muslim bakers names of the few businesses that said no wasn't even stated -- plus, even that idiot Crowder admitted most Muslim bakers *would* bake the cake.




are you arguing that American Christians are less tolerant than American Muslims?


Really?
 
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