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Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay [W:150]

Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay People?


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Self explanatory. This is a consistency check for all sides. Does changing up the religion itself change anything?
 
Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

No. Some may sympathize cause Muslims are themselves an often vilified minority in this country, but it's still as hateful and wrong.

As someone with a Muslim landlord, in a state that may pass its own "RFRA," this is rather personal. It does have me a little concerned.
 
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Self explanatory. This is a consistency check for all sides. Does changing up the religion itself change anything?

You already didn't believe the consistency of my position in the other thread on the basis that liberals will want to pretend to appear fair. So why will you believe the results here? If we were lying in the other thread, what changed to make you trust us in this one?
 
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You already didn't believe the consistency of my position in the other thread on the basis that liberals will want to pretend to appear fair. So why will you believe the results here? If we were lying in the other thread, what changed to make you trust us in this one?

When did you become more than one person?

It is not surprising to me that you'd rather not answer the question posed. Incidentally, I made no comments at all about "liberals", so yeah, if you want to make stuff up, I would rather you do it somewhere else (though I, admittedly, have no control over it).
 
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When did you become more than one person?

It is not surprising to me that you'd rather not answer the question posed. Incidentally, I made no comments at all about "liberals", so yeah, if you want to make stuff up, I would rather you do it somewhere else (though I, admittedly, have no control over it).

Well seeing as you've already decided liberals are just sneaky hobbitses, are you sure you want us skewing the results of your poll?
 
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Self explanatory. This is a consistency check for all sides. Does changing up the religion itself change anything?
Businesses shouldn't be permitted to refuse service to someone because of their (perceived) sexuality. They can refuse to serve someone for a different reason (presuming that isn't also discriminatory or otherwise illegal) even if the customer also happens to be homosexual.

Exactly the same principle should apply to other common grounds of discrimination such as race, religion, gender, nationality or disability.

Not only should the law never be conditional on the religious beliefs of the business owner or staff member involved, it would be actively discriminatory in itself to have a law that made such a distinction.
 
Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

If a business cannot discriminate by race or gender, why would it be OK for sexual preference? Something that is no one elses business to begin with?

So I say no, period.
 
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Well seeing as you've already decided liberals are just sneaky hobbitses, are you sure you want us skewing the results of your poll?

Meh, your one lonely little lying vote won't hurt the poll. Lol.
 
Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

Well seeing as you've already decided liberals are just sneaky hobbitses, are you sure you want us skewing the results of your poll?

X Factor didn't decide that, society as a whole did.
 
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Meh, your one lonely little lying vote won't hurt the poll. Lol.

Bwahaha, multiple liberals will be voting in your poll, now you can't trust it.
 
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Bwahaha, multiple liberals will be voting in your poll, now you can't trust it.

It's ok, I'll take comfort in the fact that you are not all liberals and not all liberals are you. I love that it's completely lost on you that my question can actually cut both ways.
 
Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

X Factor didn't decide that, society as a whole did.

:mrgreen:
 
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Self explanatory. This is a consistency check for all sides. Does changing up the religion itself change anything?

It would have been a much more reliable test if you didn't tell everyone that it is a test in the opening post.
 
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It would have been a much more reliable test if you didn't tell everyone that it is a test in the opening post.

I suspect it's not nearly as much fun unless he's telegraphing his punches.
 
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Self explanatory. This is a consistency check for all sides. Does changing up the religion itself change anything?

This poll need an 'other'.

Most of the cases involving Christians were about direct involvement in a same sex wedding. [Photography, baking cakes, etc] IIRC none of those businesses actually refused service to Homosexuals for any other reasons. [not aware anything that Muslim business owners have done]
 
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I just remembered something: X factor doesn't understand the difference between denying service to customers because of what they ordered and denying them service on the basis of their sexual orientation. So this may actually be his idea of a trap thread, though as in the other thread he'll just be reaffirming his inability to grasp the issue.

Nonetheless, in spite of any potential shennanigans I voted in good faith.
 
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Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

I do appreciate the point of this poll though. There's much hypocrisy involved here.
 
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I just remembered something: X factor doesn't understand the difference between denying service to customers because of what they ordered and denying them service on the basis of their sexual orientation. So this may actually be his idea of a trap thread, though as in the other thread he'll just be reaffirming his inability to grasp the issue.

If Homosexuals aren't ordering a SSM cake or wanting you to take photos of Dave and Jim, the owner might never know you're Gay.
 
Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

I do appreciate the point of this poll though. There's much hypocrisy involved here.

So what will you conclude when you don't see the hypocrisy you're so certain will manifest here?
 
Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

If Homosexuals aren't ordering a SSM cake or wanting you to take photos of Dave and Jim, the owner might never know you're Gay.

That's getting a little complicated. I answered the poll as though it was asked in good faith, so no tricks involved. Therefore the customer presents himself in some way that tips the Muslim clerk off the he's gay, and just wants to buy the same product sold to everyone else.
 
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Self explanatory. This is a consistency check for all sides. Does changing up the religion itself change anything?

Why shouldn’t they? I mean, to be fair the Christian businesses we are talking about weren’t hanging up “No Gays Allowed!” signs. Anyone could come into the stores and buy any product that is nominally for sale. What they restricted was specialty items, such as wedding cakes. Certain bakeries didn’t make cakes for same sex weddings, just wasn’t a product they offered. I think they were well within their rights to do so as well, it’s their business, their labor, their cake. And here would be the same, the fundamental isn’t shifting. Labor and property rights form the foundation and those are innate rights to all humans, even Muslims.
 
Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

Why would a Muslim business be held to a different standard than a Christian one? I don't understand the point of this poll.

To answer the poll directly: No, Muslims should not have legal protection to refuse service to gays.
 
Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

I just remembered something: X factor doesn't understand the difference between denying service to customers because of what they ordered and denying them service on the basis of their sexual orientation. So this may actually be his idea of a trap thread, though as in the other thread he'll just be reaffirming his inability to grasp the issue.

Nonetheless, in spite of any potential shennanigans I voted in good faith.

I think he's confused about what these anti discrimination laws permit. Frankly i find it a little confusing when we start narrowing it down to cake toppings or whatever.

X doesn't want service denied to gays, but he has a legit suspicion here. Some of the politically correct will never criticize the prejudices of a minority and will not want to take sides in disputes between two separate minorities. Some right wingers will be aghast at the thought of having to sell milk to gays, but they aren't necessarily fond of Muslims either
 
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So what will you conclude when you don't see the hypocrisy you're so certain will manifest here?

Show me where the Homosexual lobby has come out against the Muslim business practices/discrimination?
 
Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

Why shouldn’t they? I mean, to be fair the Christian businesses we are talking about weren’t hanging up “No Gays Allowed!” signs. Anyone could come into the stores and buy any product that is nominally for sale. What they restricted was specialty items, such as wedding cakes. Certain bakeries didn’t make cakes for same sex weddings, just wasn’t a product they offered. I think they were well within their rights to do so as well, it’s their business, their labor, their cake. And here would be the same, the fundamental isn’t shifting. Labor and property rights form the foundation and those are innate rights to all humans, even Muslims.

I've been told time and time again that most Gays are just like me. How would the business owner know if they din't say so?
 
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