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    Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay [W:1

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Self explanatory. This is a consistency check for all sides. Does changing up the religion itself change anything?
    Nope

    Muslims do not get a pass on anti-discrimination laws.

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    Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Where is the official documentation of Muslim businesses that have legitimately refused LGBT couples? I'm all for refusing to do business with them, if there is a legitimate complaint of their refusal (hint, that rightwing idiot who tried to set people up is not "official documentation). (Seriously, I want to know so that I can avoid them if in those areas.)
    Translation: I reject your reality and replace it with my own.

    So, did the right wing idiot doctor the videos? If you think so, prove you case.

    Given the death penalty for LGBT's many Muslim believers and countries appear to actually support, why do you think activists avoid trying to set them up on video they same way they do professed Christian business owners?

    Doesn't the fact they don't at least raise an eyebrow?
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    Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Translation: I reject your reality and replace it with my own.

    So, did the right wing idiot doctor the videos? If you think so, prove you case.

    Given the death penalty for LGBT's many Muslim believers and countries appear to actually support, why do you think activists avoid trying to set them up on video they same way they do professed Christian business owners?

    Doesn't the fact they don't at least raise an eyebrow?
    Yes, actually he did, since we only see certain scenes from the videos. In some parts, we have no idea what specific kind of cake he asked for that they were saying no to. In others, we hear them saying yes up to the point where he asks for certain things on the cake. We also have no clue what the names of any of these places are, what sort of cakes they normally agree to do, or any other important information. We never see an entire interaction, from beginning to end with the bakers. It is also a setup from the beginning, so it automatically can have people refusing just for recognizing him, rather than refusing because they will refuse a cake for a same sex wedding. He specifically made the cake different than most wedding cakes. He didn't simply ask for a wedding cake that would be for a same sex wedding, increasing the odds that it would and could actually legally be refused due to content rather than his (presumed) sexuality.
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    Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Yes, actually he did, since we only see certain scenes from the videos. In some parts, we have no idea what specific kind of cake he asked for that they were saying no to. In others, we hear them saying yes up to the point where he asks for certain things on the cake. We also have no clue what the names of any of these places are, what sort of cakes they normally agree to do, or any other important information. We never see an entire interaction, from beginning to end with the bakers. It is also a setup from the beginning, so it automatically can have people refusing just for recognizing him, rather than refusing because they will refuse a cake for a same sex wedding. He specifically made the cake different than most wedding cakes. He didn't simply ask for a wedding cake that would be for a same sex wedding, increasing the odds that it would and could actually legally be refused due to content rather than his (presumed) sexuality.
    That's not proof, that opinion.

    Since you've dismissed an obvious case of discrimination, what about the other point?

    It's very clear there are followers of the Muslim faith who agree with policies that call for the killing of LGBT people. Why are activists ignoring this fact, and not seeking to set up Muslim business owners the same way the are doing with Christian business owners?
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    Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    That's not proof, that opinion.

    Since you've dismissed an obvious case of discrimination, what about the other point?

    It's very clear there are followers of the Muslim faith who agree with policies that call for the killing of LGBT people. Why are activists ignoring this fact, and not seeking to set up Muslim business owners the same way the are doing with Christian business owners?
    We aren't ignoring that fact at all. It is despicable and wrong. However it is also happening in other countries and there is not much we can do about it that isn't already being done. There is something we can do about discrimination businesses here in the US participate in.

    Which case involving same sex couples reporting/suing businesses that denied them was a setup?
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    Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    We aren't ignoring that fact at all. It is despicable and wrong. However it is also happening in other countries and there is not much we can do about it that isn't already being done. There is something we can do about discrimination businesses here in the US participate in.

    Which case involving same sex couples reporting/suing businesses that denied them was a setup?
    As opposed to deflecting from the questions/observations I asked, let's stay focused on the point.

    Given the documented evidence Muslims have shown discriminatory actions against LGBT couples/individuals, and given the fact their faith is practiced in some countries in ways that could be fatal to LGBT couples and individuals, why are Muslim owned businesses not the source of confrontation by activists, as opposed to Christian owned businesses? You've conveniently excused away the bakery example, so where are the others?

    Shouldn't all businesses owned by members expressing faiths, and potentially at odds with LGBT attempts to change standards, be subject to the same scrutiny? Why aren't activists documenting discrimination by Muslim owned businesses, or, are you suggesting there are no Muslim owned businesses who would discriminate?
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    Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    As opposed to deflecting from the questions/observations I asked, let's stay focused on the point.

    Given the documented evidence Muslims have shown discriminatory actions against LGBT couples/individuals, and given the fact their faith is practiced in some countries in ways that could be fatal to LGBT couples and individuals, why are Muslim owned businesses not the source of confrontation by activists, as opposed to Christian owned businesses? You've conveniently excused away the bakery example, so where are the others?

    Shouldn't all businesses owned by members expressing faiths, and potentially at odds with LGBT attempts to change standards, be subject to the same scrutiny? Why aren't activists documenting discrimination by Muslim owned businesses, or, are you suggesting there are no Muslim owned businesses who would discriminate?
    Again, provide an incident where a gay person went looking for a Christian specifically who owned a business just to be turned away. I've seen a number of attempted setups by anti gay rights people, but none by gay rights activists.

    Both bakers and the photographer refused to serve gay couples actually wanting to purchase their services. The pizza owner could have simply turned down the reporters request for an interview about the RFRA. And the mechanic posted the comments in his shops Facebook account. None involved setting people up.
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    Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Again, provide an incident where a gay person went looking for a Christian specifically who owned a business just to be turned away. I've seen a number of attempted setups by anti gay rights people, but none by gay rights activists.

    Both bakers and the photographer refused to serve gay couples actually wanting to purchase their services. The pizza owner could have simply turned down the reporters request for an interview about the RFRA. And the mechanic posted the comments in his shops Facebook account. None involved setting people up.
    I see you are going to continue to ignore my question.

    I guess we will leave it at that.

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    Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    I see you are going to continue to ignore my question.

    I guess we will leave it at that.

    Have a nice day.
    If you're going to ask questions which are irrelevant except to attempt to show some imagined hypocrisy, then they will be ignored. You have yet to show a similar incident as those we have seen involving a Muslim business here in America. The "setups" we have been seeing this last year or so have been being perpetrated by anti gay rights people.
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    Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    If you're going to ask questions which are irrelevant except to attempt to show some imagined hypocrisy, then they will be ignored. You have yet to show a similar incident as those we have seen involving a Muslim business here in America. The "setups" we have been seeing this last year or so have been being perpetrated by anti gay rights people.
    They are very relevant. Your ignoring them adds to the obvious evidence of the agenda at work.
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