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    Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

    No business should be allowed to discriminate against anyone in any protected class. The only exception would be those defined as a specifically religious non-profit and even there, they should only be allowed to discriminate on the basis of religion. The idea that hate is a religious value is idiotic.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    No business should be allowed to discriminate against anyone in any protected class. The only exception would be those defined as a specifically religious non-profit and even there, they should only be allowed to discriminate on the basis of religion. The idea that hate is a religious value is idiotic.
    It's not hate. Those bakeries and pizzerias never refused to serve someone because they were gay. But forcing someone to approve or participate in a lifestyle they disapprove of is going against THEIR first amendment rights of freedom of religion.

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    Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

    Quote Originally Posted by JFish123 View Post
    It's not hate. Those bakeries and pizzerias never refused to serve someone because they were gay. But forcing someone to approve or participate in a lifestyle they disapprove of is going against THEIR first amendment rights of freedom of religion.
    They're not participating in a lifestyle, they're baking a cake or making a pizza. Nobody is forcing them to engage in a gay orgy. They are doing what they are in business to do. Try again.
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    Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

    Why does the religion of the owner matter?
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    Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Why does the religion of the owner matter?
    It shouldn't mean a thing. It's the religious that insist that it does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    i'm only quoting what she said.
    What she said in the second interview, not the very first one that kicked off this whole firestorm. And she was actually led toward that "catering" comment in that second interview. In the first one, her words described a gay person/couple coming into the pizzeria and ordering pizza for a same sex wedding. She didn't say "cater" at all in that one. She said "provide".

    http://news.yahoo.com/video/yelp-rev...181131690.html

    And her father confirmed that a) they never catered any actual event before and b) they could not "condone", which she said was provide pizza for, gay weddings. So the only way they could do that, since they don't actually do catering where they show up at a place with pizzas and other food and serve it, is by what I described, a gay couple or someone else came up to their counter and said they wanted to order pizzas for a wedding between two people of the same sex.
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    Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

    Yes...ANY privately-owned business that offers a non-life saving product or service should be able to refuse service to anyone they wish, for any reason.

    The idea that the state can force a (say clothing) shop owner to serve people against the latter's will is ridiculous.

    And why on Earth would someone want to go to a store for a non-life saving product or service knowing that store owner does not want to serve them for some ridiculous prejudice?
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    Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Yes...ANY privately-owned business that offers a non-life saving product or service should be able to refuse service to anyone they wish, for any reason.

    The idea that the state can force a (say clothing) shop owner to serve people against the latter's will is ridiculous.

    And why on Earth would someone want to go to a store for a non-life saving product or service knowing that store owner does not want to serve them for some ridiculous prejudice?
    Say it's the only store for 100 miles around, and you don't have the funds for a long trip.
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    Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Say it's the only store for 100 miles around, and you don't have the funds for a long trip.
    With respect, if it's not life and death...tough.

    No ones going to drop dead because they cannot by an extra pair of jeans or that 'really cute t-shirt'.

    Besides, if they want it so bad, just mail order from Amazon or Walmart or someone else. That's how I buy most of the stuff I purchase (outside of food/drink/gasoline) as it is.


    If the point is to force prejudiced shop owners out of business, what will force them out of business faster then if everyone knows they are prejudiced? Who is going to shop at a store that everyone knows will not sell to women or 'blacks'? Hardly anyone and so the business will be forced to change or go under.

    But if you force some racist pig by law to sell to 'blacks' say...he will probably resent it more, blame Obama/other 'blacks' and just go underground...knowing he has to keep his pathetic hatred quiet.

    Now me, I would FAR rather know my neighbour was racist then not know.
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    Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    With respect, if it's not life and death...tough.

    No ones going to drop dead because they cannot by an extra pair of jeans or that 'really cute t-shirt'.

    Besides, if they want it so bad, just mail order from Amazon or Walmart or someone else. That's how I buy most of the stuff I purchase (outside of food/drink/gasoline) as it is.


    If the point is to force prejudiced shop owners out of business, what will force them out of business faster then if everyone knows they are prejudiced? Who is going to shop at a store that everyone knows will not sell to women or 'blacks'? Hardly anyone and so the business will be forced to change or go under.

    But if you force some racist pig by law to sell to 'blacks' say...he will probably resent it more, blame Obama/other 'blacks' and just go underground...knowing he has to keep his pathetic hatred quiet.

    Now me, I would FAR rather know my neighbour was racist then not know.
    The pizzeria that announced they wouldn't be catering to gay weddings made one million from their community. We're those the sort of consequences you were referring to?

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