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    Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Businesses thrived under your model when they were allowed to discriminate against blacks and women. I suppose we should have left well enough alone.
    We should, because if businesses existed today that did that, they would last only as long as the owner can run it while losing money.
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    Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    What I've demonstrated is that whatever percentage of businesses actually take part in discrimination there is a tangible and measurable impact that places the minority groups at a disadvantage. There is no tangible damage to a business owner serving a minority. Unless they can demonstrate one then they're just going to have to suck it up.
    Far from the truth. In fact, people love a good human interest story. And they flock to businesses who have good images.
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    Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay ...

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Show me where she said an individual could come in and order 10 pizzas for his gay wedding and they would refuse it.


    “If a gay couple was to come and they wanted us to bring pizzas to their wedding, we’d have to say no,” Crystal told ABC 57.

    Note word bring

    “We said we would serve anyone that came in that door, even gays,” Crystal told The Blaze. “But we would not condone a wedding. We would not cater to that.”

    She means catering as in being there.
    That is not what she said in that very first interview. She said come in and ask us to provide pizzas for a gay wedding.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

    if you don't want to do business with all americans move out the country....simple...but they would have to come to you...you don't have to go to them....I don't feel that any business has to physically go work at a place they don't want to work at...a bad neighborhood....a kkk meeting if you have a black catering business and they want some good soul food....a religious catering service go do a gay wedding .get my meaning
    I find the lack of logic in humans most disturbing...

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    Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

    Muslim Cab Drivers Refuse to Transport Alcohol, and Dogs....

    ....Commissioners at one of the country's biggest airports are considering punishing Muslim cab drivers who refuse service to passengers possessing alcohol or guide dogs.

    The cabbies claim transporting those items violates Islamic law.

    "It is against our faith and the airport is discriminating against Muslim drivers," says a cab driver who would only give his first name, Hashim.

    Three-quarters of the 900 cabbies licensed to operate at the airport are Muslim, most from Somalia. It is unclear how many are adhering to this letter of Islamic law which considers the purchase, drinking and transport of alcoholic beverages a sin.

    Islam also regards the saliva from dogs to be unclean.....

    Muslim Cab Drivers Refuse to Transport Alcohol, and Dogs - ABC News
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/archiv...own-rules.html

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    Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    Far from the truth. In fact, people love a good human interest story. And they flock to businesses who have good images.
    I'm afraid they'll have to get by on providing a superior product or service. The time of lgbts getting full protected class status isn't too far away, and Christians will have to give up their pipe dream of discriminating against people who don't follow their faith.

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    Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    While I share your fears, because I am an atheist living in a country where 90 plus percent claims to be part of some type of religion, I think your thinking is stuck back in the 50's, possibly earlier. There are many in America who claim to be of a certain religion, but when you get down to it, there are very few fundamentalists / extremists in our country today. People today are relatively liberal when it comes to the acceptance of others. I don't foresee America reverting to, say, a 1950's Germany, if it were not legal to choose who you serve as a business owner. In fact, I think that doing so would reveal those who do secretly have discriminatory views, instead of keeping those views secret and getting rich off of those they secretly hate.
    Jim crow south had to be forced into allowing blacks in their restaurants. Laws like "RFRA" give a stamp of approval if not legitimacy to such discrimination, towards lgbt specifically. That can easily reverse any progress that's been made. It's easy to minimize this kind of government endorsed hatred, when you aren't the minority in question

    And no, people in indiana are not social liberals, at all. There's reason that law got passed

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    Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    Jim crow south had to be forced into allowing blacks in their restaurants. Laws like "RFRA" give a stamp of approval if not legitimacy to such discrimination, towards lgbt specifically. That can easily reverse any progress that's been made. It's easy to minimize this kind of government endorsed hatred, when you aren't the minority in question

    And no, people in indiana are not social liberals, at all. There's reason that law got passed
    It isn't hatred to say no to a wedding cake. Just because people want to force there wills on businesses to make them participate in something they believe is morally wrong is in fact infringing on there first amendment rights. The first freedom mentioned. No ones trying to deny food at diners to gay people or make them sit on the back of the bus, or have gay and straight water fountains. This is about government forcing religious people to do something against there faith and destroying there businesses and livelihoods if they don't. Yay socialism! I mean it worked for the nazis right?

    https://youtu.be/l1_gqbQcI60

    And no gay people are not nazis, but big government forcing people to do something against there convictions most absolutely is.

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    Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay ...

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    That is not what she said in that very first interview. She said come in and ask us to provide pizzas for a gay wedding.


    i'm only quoting what she said.
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