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    Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    If you're not ready to serve everyone who comes to your door, don't open up a business.




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    Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    They said they would not provide pizzas for a gay wedding. Which means if someone came up to the counter saying "I need 10 pizzas today, my son is getting married and the caterer his husband hired cancelled last minute", the pizzeria would refuse to sell them those pizzas just because they were going for a same sex wedding. They wouldn't even have to come to the wedding, but this is the scenario the girl said she would refuse.


    They said they wouldn't want to cater a gay wedding. they also said they wouldn't refuse service to anyone. what you are doing is speculating in contradiction to thier statement
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    Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    "Islam is pretty awful."

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    lol, the best you can find is a thread attacking "neocons" with pash saying "all religions are pretty awful"?


    Just one thread, man, not an equivalency argument about all religions, a thread, like the ones I quoted. C'mon man.


    Amadeus did not start an anti-islam thread, not is he/she mocking the religion.
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    Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

    Its NOONE's business as to the religion of either the land-lord or the tenant .. the business owner or the client. . People need to know when .. and how much .. to open their eyes and when to close them .. something to do with intelligence.. ..

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    Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Self explanatory. This is a consistency check for all sides. Does changing up the religion itself change anything?
    No to the poll question and no to your second question.

    The religion does NOT matter. Whether its my religion, Christianity or somebody elses illegal discrimination and or violating somebody's rights is not "OK'd" by a subjective religious excuse. I don't get special treatment based on my religion nor does anybody else.

    On a side not I do agree with the "consistency check" I seriously doubt theres many, if any that change thier views based on the religion though. BUT if they did they would certainly have some explaining to do. The more interesting consistency check IMO and I have already seen people fail it, is the many that wouldnt accept religion as an acceptable reason to break the law and or infringe on rights and practice illegal discrimination against gender, race and religion but are perfectly fine with it against gays.
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    Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    You already didn't believe the consistency of my position in the other thread on the basis that liberals will want to pretend to appear fair. So why will you believe the results here? If we were lying in the other thread, what changed to make you trust us in this one?
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    Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Absolutely. Businesses, like customers, should be able to discriminate for any reason they like (exceptions being for medical related goods/services, or if they have a local monopoly and there's no viable alternative).
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    Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

    Yes, I think they should be allowed. I don't agree with it, but any business, IMO, should be allowed to deny service to anyone they wish. In the end, the business will be judged by the number of customers that patronize their store.
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    Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    Yes, I think they should be allowed. I don't agree with it, but any business, IMO, should be allowed to deny service to anyone they wish. In the end, the business will be judged by the number of customers that patronize their store.
    It's really better that they not be able to discriminate against customers, especially under the umbrella of religious principles. One of the primary themes guiding those who want that right relates to not "participating in the sin" of gay marriage or gay lifestyle. Gays have received the sole brunt of the focus, but if the point is to deny customers on the basis of religious principle you have to fairly take into account all the sins and religious principles one might "participate in" by entering into commerce. Along with the dubious "sin" of homosexuality (which has yet to be explained to my satisfaction) there are very real, unambiguous sins that the bible is pretty clear about yet which Christians have been mysteriously uinterested in discussing, such as gluttony, adultery, working on the sabbath, dishonoring your mother and father, greed, sloth, wrath, envy, pride. But wait! There's more! Be sure to memorize each of these six hundred and sixty seven sins. I'll wait.

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    Giving people the right to discriminate based on their religious principles is tantamount to giving Christians, the largest demographic in this country, effective tyranny over the rest of the populace. People especially in extremely religious parts of the country would have to cower in fear of businesses turning them away because of some perceived sin. But when you consider how often you hear from those who want the right to discriminate that the United States is a "Christian Country," I'm pretty sure that no vision of the future could fill them with more delight.

    It isn't just that gays have received the sole focus in this issue, which has only served to misrepresent the sheer scale of potential for abuse. We've also focused for some reason on pizza and cakes to such a degree that a visitor from a foreign country could be forgiven for thinking pizza and cake were the only businesses operating in the United States. There are also supermarkets, banks, universities, private schools, investment firms, shipping stores, storage units, taxis, pharmacies, major outlet centers, clothing stores, well, you can use your imagination. A disapproved of minority or those not practicing the right faith could find oneself completely marginalized and disenfranchised in the wrong part of the country overnight.

    That is a real, tangible damage that can be observed and weighed, whereas the damage of doing business with one you consider "sinful" is intangible and more than likely exists only in the head of the business owner.
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    Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    It's really better that they not be able to discriminate against customers, especially under the umbrella of religious principles. One of the primary themes guiding those who want that right relates to not "participating in the sin" of gay marriage. Gays have received the sole brunt of the focus, but if the point is to deny customers on the basis of religious principle you have to fairly take into account all the sins and religious principles one might "participate in" by entering into commerce. Along with the dubious "sin" of homosexuality (which has yet to be explained to my satisfaction) there are very real, unambiguous sins that the bible is pretty clear about yet which Christians have been mysteriously uinterested in discussing, such as gluttony, adultery, working on the sabbath, dishonoring your mother and father, greed, sloth, wrath, envy, pride. But wait! There's more! Be sure to memorize each of these six hundred and sixty seven sins. I'll wait.

    SIN LIST

    Got all that?

    Giving people the right to discriminate based on their religious principles is tantamount to giving Christians, the largest demographic in this country, effective tyranny over the rest of the populace. People especially in extremely religious parts of the country would have to cower in fear of businesses turning them away because of some perceived sin. But when you consider how often you hear from those who want the right to discriminate that the United States is a "Christian Country," I'm pretty sure that no vision of the future could fill them with more delight.

    It isn't just that gays have received the sole focus in this issue, which has only served to misrepresent the sheer scale of potential for abuse. We've also focused for some reason on pizza and cakes to such a degree that a visitor from a foreign country could be forgiven for thinking pizza and cake were the only businesses operating in the United States. There are also supermarkets, banks, universities, private schools, investment firms, shipping stores, storage units, taxis, pharmacies, major outlet centers, clothing stores, well, you can use your imagination. A disapproved of minority or those not practicing the right faith could find oneself completely marginalized and disenfranchised in the wrong part of the country overnight.

    That is a real, tangible damage that can be observed and weighed, whereas the damage of doing business with one you consider "sinful" is intangible and more than likely entirely in the head of the business owner.
    While I share your fears, because I am an atheist living in a country where 90 plus percent claims to be part of some type of religion, I think your thinking is stuck back in the 50's, possibly earlier. There are many in America who claim to be of a certain religion, but when you get down to it, there are very few fundamentalists / extremists in our country today. People today are relatively liberal when it comes to the acceptance of others. I don't foresee America reverting to, say, a 1950's Germany, if it were not legal to choose who you serve as a business owner. In fact, I think that doing so would reveal those who do secretly have discriminatory views, instead of keeping those views secret and getting rich off of those they secretly hate.
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