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    Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    I'm okay with any business being allowed to refuse service to anyone for any reason, as long as that business doesn't provide an essential service.

    If you're the only grocery store in a small town, then sorry, you don't get to refuse service to anyone. If you're the 47th pizza place in a 2 mile radius, then you can discriminate to your heart's content.
    Who gets the privilege of being the 47th pizza place?

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    Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Religious exceptions to our discrimination laws! Let's keep you far from legislation.
    And since you want to require people to attend and participate in religious services of any and all religions as a condition of their employment let's keep you away from legislation.

    Apparently forcing atheists to remain silent during silent prayers regardless of what the silent prayer is stated as being for is fine by you. Such as for God to save the nation from homosexuals.

    Forced attendance, participation or even forced to not be critical of a religion as a condition of employment, avoidance of fines and possibly even prosecution IS the government forcing religion on people - which is what you want.

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    Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    Anyone private owner should be allowed to deny anyone for any reason.
    Not without breaking the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

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    Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    And since you want to require people to attend and participate in religious services of any and all religions as a condition of their employment let's keep you away from legislation.

    Apparently forcing atheists to remain silent during silent prayers regardless of what the silent prayer is stated as being for is fine by you. Such as for God to save the nation from homosexuals.

    Forced attendance, participation or even forced to not be critical of a religion as a condition of employment, avoidance of fines and possibly even prosecution IS the government forcing religion on people - which is what you want.
    Providing pizzas for a wedding does not require attendance. Person orders, picks them up, and it's pretty much self serve.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Absolutely. Businesses, like customers, should be able to discriminate for any reason they like (exceptions being for medical related goods/services, or if they have a local monopoly and there's no viable alternative).
    Who is that last person then? Who is that last business that can't deny a customer? If there are three businesses in an area that sell the same products/services, then they could easily all deny a person for different things (first doesn't like you race, second your religion, last your gender). Now your facing refusal from everyone for all reasons otherwise protected. Who do you hold accountable for that?
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I don't? From early in that other thread (before this particular lie):







    And you wonder why you lack credibility with me. You have no idea what "good faith" even means.

    It's a puzzling tactic to try to convince me you're not a liar by continuing to lie but I suppose you know what you're doing. Have a great day.
    Above quoted to catch your attention. Hey X Factor, can you bother to please answer the question I asked that you ducked? Here, let me quote it...

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Why would the religion of the owner matter? Every time some one(and it has been a bunch the last week, every one thinks it is oh so clever to do this) makes a thread going "OMG, but what if it is Muslims", I ask that question, and no one can answer it.
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    Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Not without breaking the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
    Which is a problem I have with the civil rights act.

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    Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Who gets the privilege of being the 47th pizza place?
    All 47 of them.
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    Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Who is that last person then? Who is that last business that can't deny a customer? If there are three businesses in an area that sell the same products/services, then they could easily all deny a person for different things (first doesn't like you race, second your religion, last your gender). Now your facing refusal from everyone for all reasons otherwise protected. Who do you hold accountable for that?
    Any of them. Take it to court, judge forces one to accommodate you. Now, a black person sets up a business in rural Georgia, it's all white people, they're all racist. No-one shops at the store, black person loses everything. Why is this ok?
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    Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Any of them. Take it to court, judge forces one to accommodate you. Now, a black person sets up a business in rural Georgia, it's all white people, they're all racist. No-one shops at the store, black person loses everything. Why is this ok?
    Because you can't force people to shop for something like that. Businesses, by their nature, have more power than individual customers. Customers can have power collectively, assuming the business is not the only one in the area of its type and the only place to get certain goods or services.

    Not to mention the fact, that this would have been taken into account if he had gotten a business loan to open up that business. The chances of a bank giving him a loan for such a risky venture (a black restaurant owner in an all white area, where there is almost certainly, given your scenario, racism) and they wouldn't be willing to give him such a loan to begin with. So if he didn't get the money from a bank, he either had the money or borrowed it from a friend or family member, meaning that one or all of them were not very smart in their business decisions to begin with and should have did a whole lot more research.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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