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    Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    If the reporter asked her if she would refuse to cater a straight wedding the only factual answer should could provide is yes since she doesn't cater weddings.
    Except that isn't what she answered, she didn't say "cater", or any derivative of that word. She said provide pizzas for a gay wedding, even describing the person coming up to the counter asking them for the pizzas.

    Do you think she was referring to catering, as in taking the pizza to the event and serving it, something the pizza place had never did in the past for any wedding, or simply selling the pizzas to the people to use at the "gay" wedding?
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    Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

    I do not see it as a yes-no question. No generally UNLESS it was for something directly about religion - such as a gay wedding, wanting a male barber to cut a woman's hair, and other religious matters that are well established.

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    Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Legally? I guess it depends on the state. However, since they have been shown to refuse to do so, have they been given a pass, I would suppose because of their religion? Most certainly yes.

    Muslims are not in the cross hairs of people with an agenda. They have nothing to fear.
    Are you kidding? People are terrified every Muslim they see is at the airport, train station, on the bus, etc., to blow the damned place up! Every time a synagog is egged, cops head for the nearest mosque, which may have already been painted with pig blood. Hell, it wasn't that many years ago that good, god-fearing folk were threatening to blow up a mosque that was supposedly too close to the 9/11 site.

    And you say Muslims aren't in the cross hairs and have nothing to fear? Really?

    *mind officially boggled*

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    Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    You are changing it now, I'll make it easy, find me one that cristisizes the muslim faith, at all. one thread...
    "Islam is pretty awful."

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    Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

    Absolutely. Businesses, like customers, should be able to discriminate for any reason they like (exceptions being for medical related goods/services, or if they have a local monopoly and there's no viable alternative).
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    Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

    Anyone private owner should be allowed to deny anyone for any reason.

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    Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I just remembered something: X factor doesn't understand the difference between denying service to customers because of what they ordered and denying them service on the basis of their sexual orientation. So this may actually be his idea of a trap thread, though as in the other thread he'll just be reaffirming his inability to grasp the issue.

    Nonetheless, in spite of any potential shennanigans I voted in good faith.
    I don't? From early in that other thread (before this particular lie):

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Funny but I guess the difference would be the nature of the cake itself. All (or most) bakeries will do a wedding cake, and a "gay" wedding cake could well be indistinguishable from any other wedding cake. Can you require a specifically themed cake that a bakery has never done before? Could someone insist on an erotic cake from a business that specializes in children's birthday cakes? I don't know.

    If someone wanted to order a cake depicting a mockery of Jesus from a Christian owned bakery as their wedding cake, it would be interesting if people would support requiring the bakery to do it.
    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I think the justification for forcing or requiring a bakery to make a wedding cake is that they've done that very thing many many times before and that it's discrimination to not do what they've done for everyone else willing to pay for their services. That's different then demanding a cake they've never done before for anyone.
    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Huh, so when couples order a wedding cake, they need designate whether it's a gay or straight wedding cake? How about if a gay couple is ok with serving a straight cake?
    And you wonder why you lack credibility with me. You have no idea what "good faith" even means.

    It's a puzzling tactic to try to convince me you're not a liar by continuing to lie but I suppose you know what you're doing. Have a great day.

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    Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Self explanatory. This is a consistency check for all sides. Does changing up the religion itself change anything?
    I'm okay with any business being allowed to refuse service to anyone for any reason, as long as that business doesn't provide an essential service.

    If you're the only grocery store in a small town, then sorry, you don't get to refuse service to anyone. If you're the 47th pizza place in a 2 mile radius, then you can discriminate to your heart's content.
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    Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    I do not see it as a yes-no question. No generally UNLESS it was for something directly about religion - such as a gay wedding, wanting a male barber to cut a woman's hair, and other religious matters that are well established.
    Religious exceptions to our discrimination laws! Let's keep you far from legislation.
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    Re: Should a Muslim Owned Business Be Legally Permitted to Refuse Service to Gay Peop

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I don't? From early in that other thread (before this particular lie):

    And you wonder why you lack credibility with me. You have no idea what "good faith" even means.

    It's a puzzling tactic to try to convince me you're not a liar by continuing to lie but I suppose you know what you're doing. Have a great day.
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