View Poll Results: Should there be a ban on LGTB reversion/reperative therapy for minors?

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  • Yes, children have rights too

    16 69.57%
  • Yes, this kind of therapy is dangerous

    20 86.96%
  • Yes, being LGTB is not a disease

    17 73.91%
  • No, children have no rights. It is the right of the parents to decide.

    0 0%
  • No, this kind of therapy is beneficial

    2 8.70%
  • No, being LGTB is a mental disorder.

    1 4.35%
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Thread: A ban on LGTB conversion/reperative therapy on minors should be implemented?

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    Re: A ban on LGTB conversion/reperative therapy on minors should be implemented?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    I know some religious parents shudder at the idea of having a "defective" gay/lesbian/transgendered child but should they have the right, against the wishes and most likely best interest of that child, be able to force them into a potentially dangerous therapy that could end up driving that child to suicide or a life of mental instability? Or is the president right, should we protect the civil rights of children to not be potentially damaged by unwanted therapies like reversion therapy?
    As they stand, yes, these "therapies" should absolutely be banned for minors. They are so harmful and so twisted that the UN is debating whether they should be classified as torture. Suicide and other extreme manifestations of mental illness are actually very common in children forced through these programs.

    No parent has a right to force their child to be tortured. There is nothing "theraputic" about these practices, which can include things like electrocution, inducing hypothermia, and psychological torture that results in traumatic responses to normal stimuli. Of course, that's to say nothing of the fact that it doesn't even work and is complete pseudoscience. It is barbaric and disgusting that they continue to be permitted to operate in so many states. America needs to be dragged into the 21st century. Or hell, just the Geneva Convention would do.
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    Re: A ban on LGTB conversion/reperative therapy on minors should be implemented?

    I picked the "other" option too because I think the ban should cover adults too. "Conversion Therapy" should be banned regardless of age.

    It's just stupid.
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    Re: A ban on LGTB conversion/reperative therapy on minors should be implemented?

    This is a question about medical science in an area that has been highly influenced by political and especially social activism. Because of this I personally cannot trust the current conventional wisdom, whatever it may be, on who's right or wrong. My default position on medical treatment is let doctors and the kids parents make the medical decisions for children.

    Btw: I think I'm being objective.
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    Re: A ban on LGTB conversion/reperative therapy on minors should be implemented?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    This is a question about medical science in an area that has been highly influenced by political and especially social activism. Because of this I personally cannot trust the current conventional wisdom, whatever it may be, on who's right or wrong. My default position on medical treatment is let doctors and the kids parents make the medical decisions for children.

    Btw: I think I'm being objective.
    It is objectively true that many of these "therapies" use physical and psychological torture on children (several methods of which I touch on above). That is reason enough to ban it, whether it works or not.

    In full disclose, while I would not support allowing parents to force their children into conversion therapy against their will no matter what, I am not against conversion therapy being available to those who seek it voluntarily, assuming it is shown to do its job. I think it's unfortunate that some people have such problems with their identity, but ultimately not my choice.

    But I absolutely oppose touting torture as therapy, especially for children, and especially when it doesn't work anyway.

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    Re: A ban on LGTB conversion/reperative therapy on minors should be implemented?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    I picked the "other" option too because I think the ban should cover adults too. "Conversion Therapy" should be banned regardless of age.

    It's just stupid.
    This is more controversial, but to me it's tied to a principle of self-determination that is too rarely honored in medicine, for us to suddenly decide that adults can choose their own 'treatment' on THIS issue.

    Ex A: Someone has a limp and believes that cutting off the leg will remove the problem. How can we not honor this wish but allow equally futile 'conversion therapy'?
    Ex B: The terminally ill want their suffering to end, instead of waste away slowly in the hospital. Yet this is legal in only 1 state

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    Re: A ban on LGTB conversion/reperative therapy on minors should be implemented?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    This is a question about medical science in an area that has been highly influenced by political and especially social activism. Because of this I personally cannot trust the current conventional wisdom, whatever it may be, on who's right or wrong. My default position on medical treatment is let doctors and the kids parents make the medical decisions for children.

    Btw: I think I'm being objective.
    You aren't. Objective evidence shows quite clearly that this "therapy" is outright harmful. It's an attempt to create a powerful negative association with homosexual thoughts: they intersplice gay porn with torture videos and electroshock. This doesn't make the urges go away, it just makes people hate themselves for having the urges.

    Suicide rates go through the roof.

    You don't have the right to do that to your kid.
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    Re: A ban on LGTB conversion/reperative therapy on minors should be implemented?

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    This is more controversial, but to me it's tied to a principle of self-determination that is too rarely honored in medicine, for us to suddenly decide that adults can choose their own 'treatment' on THIS issue.

    Ex A: Someone has a limp and believes that cutting off the leg will remove the problem. How can we not honor this wish but allow equally futile 'conversion therapy'?
    Ex B: The terminally ill want their suffering to end, instead of waste away slowly in the hospital. Yet this is legal in only 1 state
    I think it should be illegal for any medical professional to engage in and illegal to call it "therapy."

    We don't let people sell snake oil claiming it's a cancer cure just because an adult technically has a choice to purchase it.

    I don't think any medical professional should be allowed to cut off a leg for no reason. You're right, that shouldn't be honored.
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    Re: A ban on LGTB conversion/reperative therapy on minors should be implemented?

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I think it should be illegal for any medical professional to engage in and illegal to call it "therapy."

    We don't let people sell snake oil claiming it's a cancer cure just because an adult technically has a choice to purchase it.

    I don't think any medical professional should be allowed to cut off a leg for no reason. You're right, that shouldn't be honored.
    Right, your example is better because it falls under false advertising and not simply the patient's delusion. Anyone, even an adult, seeking a 'cure' for their sexuality does so more because of outside pressure and fraudulent claims to success.

    It's like a very harmful scam. The nigerian on craigslist trying to get me to hand over a used car would face jail time, but driving someone to suicide, even minors, is totally legal in 48 states. I think we both know why

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    Re: A ban on LGTB conversion/reperative therapy on minors should be implemented?

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    You aren't. Objective evidence shows quite clearly that this "therapy" is outright harmful. It's an attempt to create a powerful negative association with homosexual thoughts: they intersplice gay porn with torture videos and electroshock. This doesn't make the urges go away, it just makes people hate themselves for having the urges.

    Suicide rates go through the roof.

    You don't have the right to do that to your kid.
    Well i can easily imagine how this leads to self hate. Getting outted despite one's best efforts evokes humiliation, shame, and a sense of having one's thoughts violated.

    Now add to that the constant feedback that something is wrong with you. You start to think maybe they're right and try to go along with the 'treatment' in earnest. Now when it fails, you face the rejection of others and blame for all of it - getting outted and failing to improve. You're reminded of this several times every day, when having these urges.

    Those who believe minors should be subjected this kind of torment likely just don't care at all about the well being of gay teens

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    Re: A ban on LGTB conversion/reperative therapy on minors should be implemented?

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    You aren't. Objective evidence shows quite clearly that this "therapy" is outright harmful. It's an attempt to create a powerful negative association with homosexual thoughts: they intersplice gay porn with torture videos and electroshock. This doesn't make the urges go away, it just makes people hate themselves for having the urges.

    Suicide rates go through the roof.

    You don't have the right to do that to your kid.
    I've never participated in this therapy so in not very familiar. In fact I'm surprised the techniques you describe are the common approach most use. You learn things all the time. Thanks.
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