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Should transwomen be legally treated as women?[W:165,1392]

Should transwomen be legally trreated as women?


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Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

No, they are men.

That, of course, is false and is why I would tend to be more hesitant in my support, which based on my upbringing and education would have been clear cut and forceful.

That has changed considerably after having seen the gay lobby overshoot so viciously with ssm riding roughshod over freedom rights of other citizens.
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

I don't honestly debate liars. Show where I said that I that transgendered people are "lying" or you will be relegated to the waste bin of the intellectually dishonest.
You bet, you said it right here and in the next post as well, medical procedures correct nature's mistake which in fact does make one a man or woman.
The fact is that a man that feels like a woman is still a man. No surgery in the world will change this fact.
"Feeling" that you are a woman when you are in fact a man does not mean that the man is biologically a woman or that he can become one... just that he "feels" like one.
Transsexuals, are their opposite sex of what they were born into.

Or has insight far beyond yours... B.A. and a Masters degree... you?
Then you should have no problem showing these facts... the ones that show how "feelings" can be factually identified. Any person that has been to counseling knows that the counselor does nothing more than help and guide, at best, the client. They attempt to get to the root cause of emotional understanding but nothing about it is fact. The client "feels" what might be correct. "Feeling" that you are a woman when you are in fact a man does not mean that the man is biologically a woman or that he can become one... just that he "feels" like one.
The point of going to a counselor is to understand the feelings and what the cause is. If the counselor is unable to identify the cause of the feelings, they simply are not very good at their job. Which is why there are so many specialists within the fields of Psychology. If you want general assistance go see a general Psychologist, but when when you need specialist assistance that is why you begin to deal with the facts of what causes emotions. Some examples would be Clinical Neuropsychology, Health psychology, behavioral and cognitive psychology. I'll admit these specialties are fairly new, but the whole field is growing as we find out more about the human condition.
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

This will be considered hate speech once the full transformation to the United States of Social Justice is complete, so you better learn how to check that cis-privilege soon bub. ;)

I agree with all three points and thanks for the ISC info...

And I will just have to be a criminal when that day comes, I guess. :)
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

You bet, you said it right here and in the next post as well, medical procedures correct nature's mistake which in fact does make one a man or woman.

Originally Posted by Bodhisattva
The fact is that a man that feels like a woman is still a man. No surgery in the world will change this fact.

Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva
"Feeling" that you are a woman when you are in fact a man does not mean that the man is biologically a woman or that he can become one... just that he "feels" like one.

I clearly did not say that they are lying... I said that they feel like something that they are not. Lying takes conscious intent. Being deluded often prohibits one from lying. Are you deluded, or are you lying in trying to show that I said that they are lying?
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

I clearly did not say that they are lying... I said that they feel like something that they are not. Lying takes conscious intent. Being deluded often prohibits one from lying. Are you deluded, or are you lying in trying to show that I said that they are lying?
You said they are not the opposite sex, yet they clearly are.

I don't see where your disconnect is, but the only delusion is when you claim they cannot biologically become male or female opposite to their sex. They might be medically infertile but reproductive organs do not a male or female make.
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

You said they are not the opposite sex, yet they clearly are.

You said that I said that "they are lying"... prove that I said that they are lying. Clearly I did not make that claim or admit you are wrong and shut up about it.

I don't see where your disconnect is, but the only delusion is when you claim they cannot biologically become male or female opposite to their sex. They might be medically infertile but reproductive organs do not a male or female make.

Biologically a man can not become a woman. No overies, no uterus, no cervix and no womb. Sayiing that they are simply "might be medically infertile" females is obfuscation of the most drastic kind.

I will never understand the cool aid drinkers that can't just admit the truth.
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

You said that I said that "they are lying"... prove that I said that they are lying. Clearly I did not make that claim or admit you are wrong and shut up about it.
I already did thanks.
Biologically a man can not become a woman. No overies, no uterus, no cervix and no womb. Sayiing that they are simply "might be medically infertile" females is obfuscation of the most drastic kind.

I will never understand the cool aid drinkers that can't just admit the truth.
Umm, I know quite a few women without ovaries, uterus (is the same as a womb). A Cervix you might have a point but without the ovaries or uterus a cervix doesn't matter. So yes, being medically female or male is possible for a transsexual.
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

I already did thanks.

Umm, I know quite a few women without ovaries, uterus (is the same as a womb). A Cervix you might have a point but without the ovaries or uterus a cervix doesn't matter. So yes, being medically female or male is possible for a transsexual.

A male is not going to magically get Fallopian tubes, and a female is not going to magically get vas deferens, amongst other medical impossibilities.
 
I see them more as creatures than humans.
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

I already did thanks.

Not even close.

I realize that not everybody is educated enough to understand that all you did was make an assumption by taking things out of context but that isn't my problem now, is it.

No sense debating more complicated issues with you since you can't even quote me correctly... :lol:
 
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A male is not going to magically get Fallopian tubes, and a female is not going to magically get vas deferens, amongst other medical impossibilities.

But... but... but, some women are born without fallopian tubes so it IS possible for a man to become a woman. Neener neener neener!!
 
I see them more as creatures than humans.

I see them as humans suffering from delusions caused by gender confusion... still doesn't make a man a woman though.
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

But... but... but, some women are born without fallopian tubes so it IS possible for a man to become a woman. Neener neener neener!!

It's pretty sad we can predict exactly where they are going with their arguments.
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

You said they are not the opposite sex, yet they clearly are.

I don't see where your disconnect is, but the only delusion is when you claim they cannot biologically become male or female opposite to their sex. They might be medically infertile but reproductive organs do not a male or female make.

They clearly are not the opposite sex and you don't appear to have an argument as to how they are.
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

That, of course, is false and is why I would tend to be more hesitant in my support, which based on my upbringing and education would have been clear cut and forceful.

That has changed considerably after having seen the gay lobby overshoot so viciously with ssm riding roughshod over freedom rights of other citizens.

Please tell me how it is false.
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

They clearly are not the opposite sex and you don't appear to have an argument as to how they are.

What I don't understand is why... why do people like Nicci want to claim that a man can be a woman? What is the goal? I understand the transexuals confusion and accept them as people. I uphold their value as citizens, etc. That said, a man is not a woman. Just a fact.
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

What I don't understand is why... why do people like Nicci want to claim that a man can be a woman? What is the goal? I understand the transexuals confusion and accept them as people. I uphold their value as citizens, etc. That said, a man is not a woman. Just a fact.

I have no idea, but then, I don't really see the appeal of supporting the treatment in the first place. What I also don't understand is why they are so hooked on getting them to compete against those born into the gender. Taking hormones while competing is juicing and many sports have banned that type of drug use. Juicing is juicing and it doesn't matter if you're trans or not, it's juicing and it's against the rules. The whole, well, they're men, or they can or can't compete against men arguments doesn't even begin to matter since they are juicing and no one else is allowed to do it.
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

I have no idea, but then, I don't really see the appeal of supporting the treatment in the first place. What I also don't understand is why they are so hooked on getting them to compete against those born into the gender. Taking hormones while competing is juicing and many sports have banned that type of drug use. Juicing is juicing and it doesn't matter if you're trans or not, it's juicing and it's against the rules. The whole, well, they're men, or they can or can't compete against men arguments doesn't even begin to matter since they are juicing and no one else is allowed to do it.

I completely think that competition for a trans person should be prohibited... 100%
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

A male is not going to magically get Fallopian tubes, and a female is not going to magically get vas deferens, amongst other medical impossibilities.
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Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

Please tell me how it is false.

Actually i believe i attached my entry incorrectly. On the other hand, I would say that they are modified men and depending on the modification men or eunieunuchs on hormones.
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

I completely think that competition for a trans person should be prohibited... 100%

I think it's fine if they have their own leagues, but putting them into already established leagues filled with people that are not transsexual causes far too many problems. If you allow them to juice and no else then that isn't fair to everyone else in the league, if you say they can't juice then they will feel like crap and their performance will suffer, and if you say everyone can juice by taking hormones then your league is harmed and it becomes a competition of who is taking more.
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

They clearly are not the opposite sex and you don't appear to have an argument as to how they are.
Its interesting you think you can tell someone what sex they are, when you can't tell.

I really do attribute your negative attitude to not knowing anyone personally that is transsexual.
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

What I don't understand is why... why do people like Nicci want to claim that a man can be a woman? What is the goal? I understand the transexuals confusion and accept them as people. I uphold their value as citizens, etc. That said, a man is not a woman. Just a fact.
There is no confusion. :)
 
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