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Should transwomen be legally treated as women?[W:165,1392]

Should transwomen be legally trreated as women?


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Re: Should perverted men who “identify” as women be legally treated as women?

Bob Blaylock and Henrin - just curious. How often are women raped by transgender M to F?

Yeah. not a problem. If you are so concerned about women's safety, worry about those men who never transition, ok?
 
Re: Should perverted men who “identify” as women be legally treated as women?

Bob Blaylock and Henrin - just curious. How often are women raped by transgender M to F?

Yeah. not a problem. If you are so concerned about women's safety, worry about those men who never transition, ok?

I have no idea what that question has to do with me.
 
Re: Should perverted men who “identify” as women be legally treated as women?

Bob Blaylock and Henrin - just curious. How often are women raped by transgender M to F?

Yeah. not a problem. If you are so concerned about women's safety, worry about those men who never transition, ok?

I'm still waiting on the men who have claimed that they would stop a MtF from entering the women's room while their wife/daughter was in there, to tell me how they are going to do so. Actually, I want to be there to watch them get hauled off for sexual assault since a package check is the only way to know...and even then it would only work for a pre-op.
 
Re: Should perverted men who “identify” as women be legally treated as women?

Everything I have said on the subject is completely true and obvious, to anyone who hasn't been deceived by the lies and delusion surrounding the mental and moral illness that is transsexualism.

Those of us who are sane are not under any obligation to play along with the sickness and delusions of those who are insane. There is no benefit to doing so.
Except it isn't, which leads me to believe you've just heard about transsexualism in passing and nothing more.
 
Re: Should perverted men who “identify” as women be legally treated as women?

Chromosomal abnormalities in transsexuals is hardly something you can at this point consider a consistent or something characteristic of transgenderism. The conclusion they seem to reach that a few reported cases of Chromosomal abnormalities in transgenders means there is any sort of cause and effect appears to then be extremely premature.

Also, the Y chromosome not being active does not mean that everyone starts off as female.
You are somewhat right, as there isn't a definitive study that proves it is chromosomal abnormality, yet. That being said, there is already one that shows this is the case and I wouldn't be surprised if that is what ends up being the consensus. Which would mean your ideal of transsexuality being a choice is false.

If you want to prove me wrong I'm happy to look at a counter study, let me know when you find one.
 
Re: Should perverted men who “identify” as women be legally treated as women?

You are somewhat right, as there isn't a definitive study that proves it is chromosomal abnormality, yet. That being said, there is already one that shows this is the case and I wouldn't be surprised if that is what ends up being the consensus. Which would mean your ideal of transsexuality being a choice is false.

If you want to prove me wrong I'm happy to look at a counter study, let me know when you find one.

When did I say it was a choice? What I said is the hormone treatment and surgery is harmful to the patient and medically unethical. What I reject is the treatment being done by doctors and the declaration that transgenders are the opposite sex after the treatment and surgery is done.

Also, your study didn't say that. What it said is that there isn't enough evidence to conclude that chromosomal abnormality is related to transsexuality.

People like yourself might think I have something against transgenders, but my problem centers around incorrect declarations, a treatment that is extremely unethical and doesn't probably treat the patients condition, and transgenders portraying themselves as something they are not.
 
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Yes and no.

NO in terms of athletic, beauty and other competitions based in part or all upon physique. The bone structure of men is different than that of women. Even gender reassignment surgery does not alter this. Most specifically, men have longer leg ratios. Thus, the most "long-legged" women for beauty contests would actually genetically be men. This same advantage would apply to athletic competitions.

In addition, in reassignment surgery the surgery also can include restructuring hips, cheeks, chin etc - for which the appearance of the person is no the actual person.

Additionally, generally the person is using various steroids and drugs - which are prohibited in athletic competitions and many other competitions do drug testing. If they get to take drugs, then everyone gets to take drugs.

So that is one "no" - because a yes would mean a person could sue for discrimination.

Another "no" would be the military, again for the same reasons as above. However, the military generally will not accept anyone who has had major surgery anyway and certainly does not allow routine steroid usage.

In other regards yes - PROVIDED the person actually had gender reassignment surgery to their genitals. A man putting on a dress and claiming to be transgendered doesn't work for the basis of discrimination claims and lawsuits. The person has to BECOME a man or a woman physically in terms of physical gender sexuality for legal protection and rights would not apply in most instances.

Want legal definition protection as a woman? If he has to have his nuts and penis cut off. THEN he can claim he is a she.
 
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Re: Should perverted men who “identify” as women be legally treated as women?

^ Those are the reasons I voted "maybe."
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

No brainier, absolutely.

The same goes for transmen; they should be treated as men.

It's not that simple.
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

Legally treated as women? You mean allowing them to fill out "F" on legal forms instead of "M"? Sounds okay to me.

I self identify as a female black lesbian on all of my EEO forms.

I mean, since we have rejected the science of DNA, I can self identify as any race/sex and sexual preference I want and they are required to treat me as such legally, right?
 
Re: Should perverted men who “identify” as women be legally treated as women?

When did I say it was a choice? What I said is the hormone treatment and surgery is harmful to the patient and medically unethical. What I reject is the treatment being done by doctors and the declaration that transgenders are the opposite sex after the treatment and surgery is done.

Also, your study didn't say that. What it said is that there isn't enough evidence to conclude that chromosomal abnormality is related to transsexuality.

People like yourself might think I have something against transgenders, but my problem centers around incorrect declarations, a treatment that is extremely unethical and doesn't probably treat the patients condition, and transgenders portraying themselves as something they are not.
You keep saying that it isn't a treatment, so of course that means its a choice. Except it isn't.

There isn't enough evidence yet, and its the first of many studies currently on going. I first heard about these back in the mid to late 2000s as helping people is something we humans are usually pretty good at doing.

I think you do have something against someone who is transsexual, in fact its pretty obvious you do from they way you talk about deceptions an unethical treatment when you have no idea what that person is going through. Its very similar to certain wealthy people who disparage the poor for having refrigerators because we can't let them poor people keep food fresh. Completely disconnected with the situation is exactly what you sound like.
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

I self identify as a female black lesbian on all of my EEO forms.

I mean, since we have rejected the science of DNA, I can self identify as any race/sex and sexual preference I want and they are required to treat me as such legally, right?
You bet you can, you need to undergo melanin injections and have the SRS surgery (that is required to identify as female on legal documents) then go ahead and date whatever woman you want.
 
Re: Should perverted men who “identify” as women be legally treated as women?

Its very similar to certain wealthy people who disparage the poor for having refrigerators because we can't let them poor people keep food fresh.

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Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

You bet you can, you need to undergo melanin injections and have the SRS surgery (that is required to identify as female on legal documents) then go ahead and date whatever woman you want.

Nope, I am pre-op.
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

You bet you can, you need to undergo melanin injections and have the SRS surgery (that is required to identify as female on legal documents) then go ahead and date whatever woman you want.

Don't you think it's somewhat messed up for transsexual to date straight individuals? I have actually ventured over on forums for transsexuals and have seen first hand them talking about ways to pick up straight men and I have to tell you I found the entire thing vile. I mean, they aren't even women and they know for a fact these men are looking for women, so it's basically a long discussion of people trying to reason it all out in their head that what they are doing isn't wrong.

For that matter, don't think it's wrong the other way around? If the transsexual is a straight man(yes I know you want to call them a gay woman) and is actively looking for women isn't that equally wrong? Don't they know that that those individuals are looking for women and they are in fact a man?

I don't know, but to me anyway it seems incredibly immoral to do that. It's basically playing with someone else's sexuality.
 
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Don't you think it's somewhat messed up for transsexual to date straight individuals? I have actually ventured over on forums for transsexuals and have seen first hand them talking about ways to pick up straight men and I have to tell you I found the entire thing vile. I mean, they aren't even women and they know for a fact these men are looking for women, so it's basically a long discussion of people trying to reason it all out in their head that what they are doing isn't wrong.

For that matter, don't think it's wrong the other way around? If the transsexual is a straight man(yes I know you want to call them a gay woman) and is actively looking for women isn't that equally wrong? Don't they know that that those individuals are looking for women and they are in fact a man?

I don't know, but to me anyway it seems incredibly immoral to do that. It's basically playing with someone else's sexuality.
Only if they are pre-op should the topic be broached. Then again if people wouldn't kill them when they tried to explain perhaps there would be less lying all around.
 
Re: Should perverted men who “identify” as women be legally treated as women?

You keep saying that it isn't a treatment, so of course that means its a choice. Except it isn't.

Because it's really not a treatment. The condition itself is entirely untouched by hormone treatment and surgery. Saying it is a treatment is along the lines saying you treat a knee injury with painkillers. As someone that tore his ACL in both knees when he was younger I assure painkillers wouldn't have fixed the problem. As for treatment being a choice, well technically it is a choice.

There isn't enough evidence yet, and its the first of many studies currently on going. I first heard about these back in the mid to late 2000s as helping people is something we humans are usually pretty good at doing.

The evidence just doesn't suggest there is any connection between the two. That is not to say there won't be one found in the future, but as of yet I don't think you have a very strong case here. Hey, if there is any really move forward with genetic research maybe we can help these people these people in the future, and you know, I'm totally for doing that. I don't think it will be accepted in the transgender community, but I suppose that bridge is no where in sight yet.

I think you do have something against someone who is transsexual, in fact its pretty obvious you do from they way you talk about deceptions an unethical treatment when you have no idea what that person is going through. Its very similar to certain wealthy people who disparage the poor for having refrigerators because we can't let them poor people keep food fresh. Completely disconnected with the situation is exactly what you sound like.

Well, the treatment does deceive people and you even admitted it by suggesting that I have meet transsexuals before and didn't even know it. The fact that they can actually pass as women to the point where I don't even think anything fishy was going on is very clear sign of deception. I'm also against all treatments that act on healthy body parts and fail to treat underlining conditions, so it's not as if I'm being inconsistent in my views here when speaking of how the surgery is unethical. Elective surgeries I will regularly condemn on this basis no matter if it's breast implants, circumcisions, face lifts, vasectomies, or this surgery here. I do not agree with people that view elective surgeries as ethical and probably never will.
 
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Only if they are pre-op should the topic be broached. Then again if people wouldn't kill them when they tried to explain perhaps there would be less lying all around.

No, all surgery does is move around the male genitalia. You can't very well trick a man to have sex with you all that easily if when he takes your pants off there is a dick looking back at him, but you can in fact get him to go all the way if what he sees looks like a vagina. See the problem?

How is it at all hard to understand why he would object to that kind of treatment? Not only did you play with sexuality, but you had sex with him on false pretenses. Why in the world would he not be extremely pissed about that?
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

Only if they are pre-op should the topic be broached. Then again if people wouldn't kill them when they tried to explain perhaps there would be less lying all around.

How many people are killing the transgendered to make this a relevant statement?
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

How many people are killing the transgendered to make this a relevant statement?

They get beaten up and even killed from time to time when a man has sex with one of them and finds out the truth after. If I remember correctly they are told to be upfront about it to avoid such responses.
 
Re: Should perverted men who “identify” as women be legally treated as women?

My guess is those who have railed against transgenders are mostly male, and they fear they might find a M/F trans person attractive, which would blow out all their prior conceptions and they can't handle that.

With hormone treatment these men can totally look like women and be very attractive.

As a man who is generally against allowing these men into a female locker room I have no problem saying that.

It is the ones that are simply self-identified but CELARLY still men that are the real issue...
 
Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

They get beaten up and even killed from time to time when a man has sex with one of them and finds out the truth after. If I remember correctly they are told to be upfront about it to avoid such responses.

Yeah, that happens and I almost don't blame them because of the deception. But it is not the issue that nicci is making it out to be. Some epidemic of violence against transgendered.
 
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Yeah, that happens and I almost don't blame them because of the deception. But it is not the issue that nicci is making it out to be. Some epidemic of violence against transgendered.

Agreed. From how I understand what she said it sounds like she is saying being upfront about it is a problem because they might get killed. I don't think that is generally considered the problem, but in fact generally considered the solution.
 
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